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28/03/2019 10:16 am  
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How do you like the xlt's touring?

TBD, I haven't had a chance to tour in them yet. I get the feeling the XLTs will be great once they're broken in, but the break-in process has been intense.

right on. I still have yet to find time to go try them on, probably tomorrow. I've heard the jones MTB break in is ridiculous so I imagine the xlt is relatively similar

Yea. My Tacticals were perfect on like day 2 or 3 (although I did heat mold them). I've put like 5 days riding on the XLTs so far, plus done some boot fitting (shell expansion and a localized compression of the liner over my big toe). They're getting there, but this is by far the most aggressive break-in period I've ever had.


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28/03/2019 10:26 am  
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I also have Dialogues, Synapses, and Hifis(all wide). The dialogues broke down after ~50 days and I replaced them with synapses which also have 50+ days now and are still stiff. Wanted something medium stiffness for casual resort days so got some Hifis. Been riding them most of last season and this season in resort, and the synapses mostly only for touring. The hifis feel the same as new, the plastic backing seems to take a beating and doesn't lose stiffness.

that's great!

 

anyway, there's a big jump in stiffness between Dialogues and Synapses, in Salomon boots line

Also the Malamutes are even stiffer than Synapses. I can't imagine boots stiffer than Synapses!  😱 

Malamutes might be the stiffest boot on the market. Trying them on in the shop, they're stiffer than any of the DriverX models from recent years, the thirtytwo Prime, and the RIDE Insano. I think that I've finally convinced myself that I don't actually want a super-stiff boot, but I still try them on every season. My brother and one of our buddies have been riding Malamutes for years and swear by them.


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28/03/2019 12:25 pm  

Malamutes are sweet.  That is all.


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28/03/2019 12:45 pm  

I think a broken-in Malamute would have a great flex. The ones I tried were perfect fit, amazing heel hold, great stiff flex. I need to try them again to see if that massive pair I had were an anomaly. 


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28/03/2019 12:49 pm  
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Either of you owned malamutes and synapses?  I’m happy with malamutes, but curious how synapses compare.

Don't come in a wide  😑  The new S/lab trek splitboard boot looks interesting and is supposed to be super stiff. Hoping they make a wide version next year


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28/03/2019 12:55 pm  

First day in Verses actually riding. Stiff again, hoping they'll break in. I can get the top quite loose, but still stiff at the ankle. Was fun to carve getting all the power from your shins. Grrrrreat outsole, quite thin, equivalent to ions. Comfortable, but a bit roomy. Will have to try different insoles. Tonge is stupid, can create terrible pressure points on lateral side of the shin if positioned poorly. I had to twist them towards the lateral side to avoid this. Hoping that smooths out with break in.

Anyone ridden these and noticed a noticeable break in period within first few days? Forward flex especially.

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28/03/2019 8:29 pm  
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First day in Verses actually riding. Stiff again, hoping they'll break in. I can get the top quite loose, but still stiff at the ankle. Was fun to carve getting all the power from your shins. Grrrrreat outsole, quite thin, equivalent to ions. Comfortable, but a bit roomy. Will have to try different insoles. Tonge is stupid, can create terrible pressure points on lateral side of the shin if positioned poorly. I had to twist them towards the lateral side to avoid this. Hoping that smooths out with break in.

Anyone ridden these and noticed a noticeable break in period within first few days? Forward flex especially.

Are you using the tongue stiffeners?


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28/03/2019 11:54 pm  
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First day in Verses actually riding. Stiff again, hoping they'll break in. I can get the top quite loose, but still stiff at the ankle. Was fun to carve getting all the power from your shins. Grrrrreat outsole, quite thin, equivalent to ions. Comfortable, but a bit roomy. Will have to try different insoles. Tonge is stupid, can create terrible pressure points on lateral side of the shin if positioned poorly. I had to twist them towards the lateral side to avoid this. Hoping that smooths out with break in.

Anyone ridden these and noticed a noticeable break in period within first few days? Forward flex especially.

Are you using the tongue stiffeners?

Hell no! Maybe later, after about a 100 days hah.


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06/04/2019 5:06 pm  
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How do you like the xlt's touring?

TBD, I haven't had a chance to tour in them yet. I get the feeling the XLTs will be great once they're broken in, but the break-in process has been intense.

I just got back from my first tour in these. They did great. Burly enough for touring up and sidehilling, great grip on boot packs, great on the way down. They're heavy as shit if that's a consideration, but it's generally not going to be a problem for me. 

Major caveat, I overhauled my touring set up in off season. New board (no more center rocker), new skins (Voile to Pocoma), new boots. Hard to say what exactly contributed how much, but I felt way more comfortable out there on the ascent. 


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06/04/2019 5:27 pm  
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First day in Verses actually riding. Stiff again, hoping they'll break in. I can get the top quite loose, but still stiff at the ankle. Was fun to carve getting all the power from your shins. Grrrrreat outsole, quite thin, equivalent to ions. Comfortable, but a bit roomy. Will have to try different insoles. Tonge is stupid, can create terrible pressure points on lateral side of the shin if positioned poorly. I had to twist them towards the lateral side to avoid this. Hoping that smooths out with break in.

Anyone ridden these and noticed a noticeable break in period within first few days? Forward flex especially.

I started the season with a new pair of Verse. It was quite possibly the worse boot I've ever had. I had horrible pressure points with the worst being the side boa. Any forward motion caused it to hit a nerve causing horrible pain. I wasn't using the stiffeners and tried different levels of tightness in the upper zone, but it wouldn't go away. I gave them 4 days on snow and many many hours of wearing them around the house hoping they'd break in. I will say when I was actually riding, the pressure points weren't quite as bad and I liked how responsive they were. 

 

The last time I rode them I was feeling a sharp pain right in the front on my shin. When I removed the boots and pulled down my sock on the left leg, there was blood everywhere. The boots had managed to wear a nice quarter-sized hole through my skin. Still have the scar. Put them up for sale the next day.

 

That said, I know others with these boots that don't have this problem. I actually was at Baldface last year and Blake Paul was there. Had a conversation with him about these boots in the boot drying closet. He definitely sold me on them. Feet are weird and some boots just don't work for you. Lesson learned.

Made the switch to the Ride Fuse and couldn't be happier. Well, I wish there were a tad bit stiffer, but I'm happy to sacrifice a bit of responsiveness for absolute comfort. 


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06/04/2019 11:35 pm  

I might actually try to warranty them. The pressure point on the shin can be mitigated by moving the liner tongue, but it's stupidly designed. Shape is weird and sides of it are harder.

Top of foot on the right boot though, theres a sharp thing on the medial side and found out it's in the shell right under the little panel thing. The left boot doesn't have this. I hurt my ankle a bit in these which I thought was always unlikely in stiff boots especially. Think it's because of the extra room inside.. Roze over a bump and it just tweaked.

These boots would be a lot better with something like the burton infinite ride liners. Can get the shell to liner interface much more flush with more direct input and the top part of the shin doesn't feel like you're moving around in a stiff shell, but can actually feel the shell moving with you. If only they'd fit a bit better. There's not enough room for that liner, toes get cramped.


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09/04/2019 12:57 pm  
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How do you like the xlt's touring?

TBD, I haven't had a chance to tour in them yet. I get the feeling the XLTs will be great once they're broken in, but the break-in process has been intense.

I just got back from my first tour in these. They did great. Burly enough for touring up and sidehilling, great grip on boot packs, great on the way down. They're heavy as shit if that's a consideration, but it's generally not going to be a problem for me. 

Major caveat, I overhauled my touring set up in off season. New board (no more center rocker), new skins (Voile to Pocoma), new boots. Hard to say what exactly contributed how much, but I felt way more comfortable out there on the ascent. 

All sounds great aside from the heavy as shit part, at least on the days where a lot of vert is being covered. My board isn't the lightest around either. Still have yet to go try them on, but I do know a few dudes around here that exclusively split/mountaineer and love them. Helps that they're crampon compatible. That doesn't concern me at this point though

I'd say every piece had its own positive affect on your comfort. Skinning on camber vs rocker is so much better imo, and pomoca skins are said to be the best around.


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09/04/2019 2:02 pm  
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How do you like the xlt's touring?

TBD, I haven't had a chance to tour in them yet. I get the feeling the XLTs will be great once they're broken in, but the break-in process has been intense.

I just got back from my first tour in these. They did great. Burly enough for touring up and sidehilling, great grip on boot packs, great on the way down. They're heavy as shit if that's a consideration, but it's generally not going to be a problem for me. 

Major caveat, I overhauled my touring set up in off season. New board (no more center rocker), new skins (Voile to Pocoma), new boots. Hard to say what exactly contributed how much, but I felt way more comfortable out there on the ascent. 

All sounds great aside from the heavy as shit part, at least on the days where a lot of vert is being covered. My board isn't the lightest around either. Still have yet to go try them on, but I do know a few dudes around here that exclusively split/mountaineer and love them. Helps that they're crampon compatible. That doesn't concern me at this point though

I'd say every piece had its own positive affect on your comfort. Skinning on camber vs rocker is so much better imo, and pomoca skins are said to be the best around.

Have been using my leather ions and I should get a pair of more touring specific boots but the Ions have been so damn comfortable right out of the box I hate the idea of breaking another pair of boots in.  I did have some trouble sidehilling when the snow was icy/firm with the Ions.

I was looking at the B tourist which has good reviews due to the articulation and comfort on the uphill (like the Ion comfort) but I think they will be very similar to the Ion when dealing with more technical aspects like sidehilling/bootpacking. 

Anyone been on the tourist or have any other recs? 


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09/04/2019 7:30 pm  
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Have been using my leather ions and I should get a pair of more touring specific boots but the Ions have been so damn comfortable right out of the box I hate the idea of breaking another pair of boots in.

Yea, it took me a while to break the TM2 XLTs in because it was tough to schlep into these little pain chambers when I had a fully broken in set of Adidas Tacticals. Especially true when I figured out I only had one board wide enough to avoid boot out on the XLTs. It's relief knowing they're finally broken in enough that I can trust them on an all-day tour.


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14/04/2019 9:52 pm  

I've been on the Tourist. Love the fact that you can use a traditional lace if the rope breaks on a tour. Great sole (like Driver X) and I like the flex - firm enough but not too stiff for me. I think they fit smaller than SLX as the same size boots feel very different after molding. Specifically - the toe box seems narrower. I like that the toe box is reinforced with plastic. Also have welts for crampons, but I am not sure what crampons fit. Love Burton's shrink fit / small footprint. Articulation is simple and works well for me, but tbh I don't think I take very big strides so not sure how important in this case. Have to say I use hard boots for tours with lots of sidehilling and more technical stuff - modified TLT6

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