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15/04/2019 8:16 am  
Posted by: ivo

I've been on the Tourist. Love the fact that you can use a traditional lace if the rope breaks on a tour. Great sole (like Driver X) and I like the flex - firm enough but not too stiff for me. I think they fit smaller than SLX as the same size boots feel very different after molding. Specifically - the toe box seems narrower. I like that the toe box is reinforced with plastic. Also have welts for crampons, but I am not sure what crampons fit. Love Burton's shrink fit / small footprint. Articulation is simple and works well for me, but tbh I don't think I take very big strides so not sure how important in this case. Have to say I use hard boots for tours with lots of sidehilling and more technical stuff - modified TLT6

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16/04/2019 8:20 am  

from what I remember, the Tourist is based off of the Ion with their nice Vibram sole. Definitely a boot i want to get my feet into


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16/04/2019 1:56 pm  

Ion, or imperial? Or maybe it was both?

On that note, although I still prefer the ion or SLX, the imperial is a pretty sick boot for its price range


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16/04/2019 4:37 pm  

Pretty sure Tourist is a modified Ion with burlier sole, option for laces, and negative flex.


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16/04/2019 8:13 pm  

^ Yes Tourist = Ion Upper + Driver X sole + some more (lace option, negative flex, crampons, etc.) Stiffer than SLX (latest models)

Also agree that the Imperial is awesome for its price range

 


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17/04/2019 6:59 am  

Think I am going to pull the trigger on the Tourist X.


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17/04/2019 7:42 am  
Posted by: Spenser

Ion, or imperial? Or maybe it was both?

On that note, although I still prefer the ion or SLX, the imperial is a pretty sick boot for its price range

I am a bit concerned about the SLX outer materials, is it durable?


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17/04/2019 8:58 am  

More durable than most would think, not as durable as the shell on say, the Ion or Driver X. Especially on the toe, obviously.

The 2015 SLX with the Schoeller shell was awesome, as was the 2016 with that "Dragonskin" stuff. 

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17/04/2019 8:59 am  
Posted by: Lalune
Posted by: Spenser

Ion, or imperial? Or maybe it was both?

On that note, although I still prefer the ion or SLX, the imperial is a pretty sick boot for its price range

I am a bit concerned about the SLX outer materials, is it durable?

I keep hearing bad things about the boot overall from a lot of local rippers. Gets squishy quite fast when its supposed to retain its flex super long is a bit of a let down as well.

The outer material grabs a lot of snow as well, that might be annoying in certain conditions.


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17/04/2019 10:55 am  

I can confirm that the shell grabs snow. As for durability, I have 50+ days on my 2018 SLXs (same outer material on the SLX for the last three years). They show a very small amount of wear. I fully expect these to make it well past the 100 day mark without any issues.

Not sure about them getting squishy. They're supposed to be softer than the Ion, and that's how they feel to me. Burton doesn't rate flex on boots with numbers anymore, so the SLX is just rated as "medium" vs the Ion's "stiff". Mine softened up a little over the initial 10ish days, but they've stayed the same since then.

My only real complaints are the velcro "wings" that close the cuff of the liner and the "new england ropes" speed laces. The design of the liners makes it difficult for me to get the cuff tight, which then makes it tough for me to get the top of the tongue tight on the shell. I usually end up having to stop after my first run or two to re-do everything and get it as tight as I prefer. Also, after 50ish days I've snapped 3 of the 4 speed laces. I've started travelling with two full sets of extras in my boot bag. Kind of a pain in the ass. They seem to wear out right where they lock into the little cleat when tightened. Once worn enough, they snap when I go to tighten them. It's a pain to replace them, so that sucks.


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17/04/2019 11:29 am  

I’m surprised to hear that you snapped that many of them (or any). There are a shit ton of days on my first pair of SLX, and the laces are still perfect. I don’t think I’ve ever seen any wear from the jam cleats, in my experience, on any of mine.

I had the 2014 and 2015 SLX.  2014s were a prototype,  where the outer shell material didn’t have a textile on it, it was just some kind of plastic feeling stuff like on a hockey skate. Most durable material on a boot I have ever had, no question. The 2015‘s with the schoeller material also seem great, but I didn’t actually put a whole lot of time on those. I rode them roughly half a season or less, twice.. might have 50 days total. One of the plastic lace channels that is built into the boot cracked open, and eventually became totally unusable. I always got the B employees who don’t give a shit about anything and don’t know what they’re doing, every time I called, so I moved on. Eventually, I came up with a fix that allowed me to loop the lace around a makeshift hook that I installed on the outside of the material. It actually works fine, but I’ve come to like my ions more. Especially the leathers.

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17/04/2019 11:31 am  

I like both 2017 / 18 and 2018 / 19 SLX because they aren't as stiff as Driver X. I hear previous models with the green liner were stiffer but I never tried them. Mine are kinda "soft" but I don't have even 50+ days on them so can't comment on flex retention / deterioration. I am also not a ripper, maybe a rad dad. And if I want stiff - I have my Dynafit TLT6 AT boots haha.

Have heard comments that the newer SLX shell may grab snow and wet through. I can say they held up in an all-day AIARE avy training session in PNW rain, my feet were dry - so I'm not worried after this. I also have a boot dryer - which wouldn't work for backcountry but OK for resort riding so not too worried.

My thoughts on durability: Vibram sole should be pretty durable. One piece construction = fewer seams to blow, so should be better. I can say I crank my bindings a bit and can see some creases from use around the toes that weren't there earlier. Don't have an issue w/ this myself. Material: I'd prefer leather, tbh. Don't have enough time on them to say, but so far so good. I would also prefer a traditional lace on this boot. Would be so sweet if Burton remakes in full-grain leather w/ trad laces! 

 


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17/04/2019 11:57 am  

@Spencer - So far, I've ripped those lace tunnel/channels out of a pair of 2010 Ions and a pair of 2017 SLXs and snapped a total of 6 laces (2 on my old Ions, 1 on my 2017 SLXs, and 3 on my 2018 SLXs). Both times I ripped the lace channels out, it was within the 1-year warranty period so I got the boots replaced. I got replacement laces a couple of times through Burton, but mostly I just buy them online. The replacement kit with an upper lace, a lower lace, and the little tool to pull them through the channels is like $15.

I have never had issues with previous boots in terms of breaking regular laces. I will admit that I am a big, strong dude who likes his boots TIGHT and hulks the laces, but the speed lacing system for Burton seems to me to be less durable than other options. They have failed for me fairly often over the approximately five seasons that I have ridden their boots (2010-13 and 2017-19). I have tough feet to fit, and Burtons fit me best (by a significant margin) of everything currently available that I've had a chance to try. I would love to get into different boots, but fit beats out everything else for me - even the hassles I've had with the lacing system.

@ivo the SLX isn't supposed to be anywhere as stiff as the driver x. While snow sticks to the shells on mine, I've never had it get my feet wet. I am also in the Seattle area, and I ride my fair share of wet conditions.

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17/04/2019 11:59 am  
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I can confirm that the shell grabs snow. As for durability, I have 50+ days on my 2018 SLXs (same outer material on the SLX for the last three years). They show a very small amount of wear. I fully expect these to make it well past the 100 day mark without any issues.

Not sure about them getting squishy. They're supposed to be softer than the Ion, and that's how they feel to me. Burton doesn't rate flex on boots with numbers anymore, so the SLX is just rated as "medium" vs the Ion's "stiff". Mine softened up a little over the initial 10ish days, but they've stayed the same since then.

My only real complaints are the velcro "wings" that close the cuff of the liner and the "new england ropes" speed laces. The design of the liners makes it difficult for me to get the cuff tight, which then makes it tough for me to get the top of the tongue tight on the shell. I usually end up having to stop after my first run or two to re-do everything and get it as tight as I prefer. Also, after 50ish days I've snapped 3 of the 4 speed laces. I've started travelling with two full sets of extras in my boot bag. Kind of a pain in the ass. They seem to wear out right where they lock into the little cleat when tightened. Once worn enough, they snap when I go to tighten them. It's a pain to replace them, so that sucks.

My Ion leather laces broke after 70 days so I am in market for a new pair of boots.

I love my leather ions in almost everything, except that due to the stiffness and lack of built in forward lean on the upper section, sometime I feel I have to fight to flex them on toe side. Sound like SLX will be the solution.


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17/04/2019 12:05 pm  

None of the SLX models have ever had Driver X-level stiffness. Generally, SLXs have been my go-to boot because it'd retain its flex for a lot longer than most other boots I tried. I credit this to two things mostly: the articulating cuff and the Infinite Ride liner (the green one) that never mushed out. I've got a pair of 2015, 2016 and 2018 models, but only the 2018 I "broke down" far enough where I wanted to replace it for being too mushy. Not entirely sure, but I think that might be due to the Life+ liner. That one feels flimsy, compared to the IR. 

This season I made the switch to the Driver X, but replaced the liners with the green IRs and threw in my custom Sidas footbeds. Only problem is that I've now totally worn out holes on the inside of the liners and they've gotten uncomfortable. Also, while I love the way the Driver performs, I can definitely see myself mushing it out much faster than I did the '15 or '16 SLX, which I probably credit to the lack of an articulating shell cuff. IMO, Driver X-level response + articulating cuff = dream boot. I wonder if something exists from another brand. 

I'm also gonna look into the aftermarket Intuition liners for next season since I annihilated the IRs. 

Ontario | Boots: Driver X | Bindings: Genesis X, Union Progress FC | Boards: CaféRacer & CaféRacer+ 159 / Cheetah 159 / LandLord 163


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