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MarkusM
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17/04/2019 12:17 pm  

the quicklaces broke 2 times on my driver x and 4 times on ion. 

and the chanel things they run through broke on my ions. after that i havent had any burton boots.

in memory im wanting a pair of restricted hail again because at the time they felt like clowds. but i came of a pair of tripple boa k2 boots that where stiff as shit and killed my feet. xD

tried my infuse again a few days ago and i was not stoked. 

i need snowboard boots with super soft tongue and with a thinner sole. 

also most boots i try on now feel to narrow.

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17/04/2019 12:54 pm  

Genuinely surprised to hear about all these broken speedzone laces on modern Burton boots. I stopped hearing about it once they switched to the climbing rope company years ago. The last few comments in this thread, in total, totally blow past the number of broken ones I had previously heard of. Weird. And to say they are less durable than other options also surprises me, as it has always seemed like that is not the case. I’ve heard about & seen broken laces from all the other companies a lot more than B. I also repeatedly broke Solomon laces every week or two until I gave up on those boots. They would just snap out of nowhere, for no reason other than I was using them. I guess I’ve had perfect luck with mine...

Anyway, to me, a newer SLX feels similar in flex to a broken-in ion, and they definitely retained their flex better than any other boot I have had. But, something about the way the ion feels is a little nicer for my feet, though I can pretty much go back-and-forth. I also like the ion because they are that much cheaper, and more common to find on sale/barely used.

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17/04/2019 1:12 pm  
Posted by: Lalune
Posted by: matty

I can confirm that the shell grabs snow. As for durability, I have 50+ days on my 2018 SLXs (same outer material on the SLX for the last three years). They show a very small amount of wear. I fully expect these to make it well past the 100 day mark without any issues.

Not sure about them getting squishy. They're supposed to be softer than the Ion, and that's how they feel to me. Burton doesn't rate flex on boots with numbers anymore, so the SLX is just rated as "medium" vs the Ion's "stiff". Mine softened up a little over the initial 10ish days, but they've stayed the same since then.

My only real complaints are the velcro "wings" that close the cuff of the liner and the "new england ropes" speed laces. The design of the liners makes it difficult for me to get the cuff tight, which then makes it tough for me to get the top of the tongue tight on the shell. I usually end up having to stop after my first run or two to re-do everything and get it as tight as I prefer. Also, after 50ish days I've snapped 3 of the 4 speed laces. I've started travelling with two full sets of extras in my boot bag. Kind of a pain in the ass. They seem to wear out right where they lock into the little cleat when tightened. Once worn enough, they snap when I go to tighten them. It's a pain to replace them, so that sucks.

My Ion leather laces broke after 70 days so I am in market for a new pair of boots.

I love my leather ions in almost everything, except that due to the stiffness and lack of built in forward lean on the upper section, sometime I feel I have to fight to flex them on toe side. Sound like SLX will be the solution.

Why don't you just replace the laces? I've only had to do it once.

2019 SLX brand new felt slightly softer than a 100+ day old regular ion with IR liners. Very comfortable, slightly different fit to ions, but no ankle articulation at all, or at least the kind that would even marginally keep my heels in place.


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17/04/2019 1:17 pm  
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None of the SLX models have ever had Driver X-level stiffness. Generally, SLXs have been my go-to boot because it'd retain its flex for a lot longer than most other boots I tried. I credit this to two things mostly: the articulating cuff and the Infinite Ride liner (the green one) that never mushed out. I've got a pair of 2015, 2016 and 2018 models, but only the 2018 I "broke down" far enough where I wanted to replace it for being too mushy. Not entirely sure, but I think that might be due to the Life+ liner. That one feels flimsy, compared to the IR. 

This season I made the switch to the Driver X, but replaced the liners with the green IRs and threw in my custom Sidas footbeds. Only problem is that I've now totally worn out holes on the inside of the liners and they've gotten uncomfortable. Also, while I love the way the Driver performs, I can definitely see myself mushing it out much faster than I did the '15 or '16 SLX, which I probably credit to the lack of an articulating shell cuff. IMO, Driver X-level response + articulating cuff = dream boot. I wonder if something exists from another brand. 

I'm also gonna look into the aftermarket Intuition liners for next season since I annihilated the IRs. 

Nitro Capital TLS. You might be in luck, I found the fit most comparable to a IR liner fitted Ion. Flush but comfy, rides much better than the 15/16 DX's I had. Try them on if you get the chance. I find they're stiffer than the driver x's even without the stiffener inserts after about 15 days in them. Sole is a bit thicker, but very small footprint. Us8,5 Capital fits almost exactly like a us8 IR Ion from 15/16 (or whichever season was the last to have IR, on my second pair).


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17/04/2019 1:31 pm  

I broke NE Ropes on my Photon Boa within 15 days last year. Had to use a voile orange ski strap to finish the day as repair place at Alpental couldn't replace right away. Loved the Photon's leather, fit & Vibram sole but returned after this experience.

Also have broken the plastic lace cleat on an older Ruler once. In retrospect, I loved the articulation and trad laces on my Hails, and they were super comfy, too - possibly my favorite older boot. I've spent years in these Hails, even after they got very mushed.


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17/04/2019 2:21 pm  
Posted by: Elektropow
Posted by: Lalune
Posted by: matty

I can confirm that the shell grabs snow. As for durability, I have 50+ days on my 2018 SLXs (same outer material on the SLX for the last three years). They show a very small amount of wear. I fully expect these to make it well past the 100 day mark without any issues.

Not sure about them getting squishy. They're supposed to be softer than the Ion, and that's how they feel to me. Burton doesn't rate flex on boots with numbers anymore, so the SLX is just rated as "medium" vs the Ion's "stiff". Mine softened up a little over the initial 10ish days, but they've stayed the same since then.

My only real complaints are the velcro "wings" that close the cuff of the liner and the "new england ropes" speed laces. The design of the liners makes it difficult for me to get the cuff tight, which then makes it tough for me to get the top of the tongue tight on the shell. I usually end up having to stop after my first run or two to re-do everything and get it as tight as I prefer. Also, after 50ish days I've snapped 3 of the 4 speed laces. I've started travelling with two full sets of extras in my boot bag. Kind of a pain in the ass. They seem to wear out right where they lock into the little cleat when tightened. Once worn enough, they snap when I go to tighten them. It's a pain to replace them, so that sucks.

My Ion leather laces broke after 70 days so I am in market for a new pair of boots.

I love my leather ions in almost everything, except that due to the stiffness and lack of built in forward lean on the upper section, sometime I feel I have to fight to flex them on toe side. Sound like SLX will be the solution.

Why don't you just replace the laces? I've only had to do it once.

2019 SLX brand new felt slightly softer than a 100+ day old regular ion with IR liners. Very comfortable, slightly different fit to ions, but no ankle articulation at all, or at least the kind that would even marginally keep my heels in place.

My bad, no idea why I put laces in the first sentence.

By breaking I mean I pulled the whole thing (the part that has the grommets and stitched to boots) out. Shoe laces are intact though.

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17/04/2019 2:26 pm  

after breaking burton speedlaces i went bakc to regular laces so havent tried any other brands.

 


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17/04/2019 2:44 pm  

I dread the idea of going back to regular laces 😟


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17/04/2019 2:59 pm  

All of this boils down to the fact that boots are both the single most important piece of snowboarding gear and also the one that still needs the most improvement. Boards, bindings, outerwear, goggles, etc. are available from multiple brands that cover just about every reasonable pricepoint and use scenario. Boots seem to fit very few people well, and also appear to have a much higher failure rate than any other piece of gear. Beyond cosmetics, the segment leaders (Burton, Salmon, K2, Ride, Adidas, thirtytwo, DC) have made only small improvements in the last 10+ years to boots. Many of us are in boots with $400+ retail prices that we have to replace every two or three seasons. That sucks.


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17/04/2019 3:03 pm  

i payed 80ish bucks for the ones im currently using ;P


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17/04/2019 3:34 pm  
Posted by: MarkusM

i payed 80ish bucks for the ones im currently using ;P

Fuck you and your ankles of steel!

Just jelly...


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17/04/2019 4:15 pm  

I also paid $80 for my other ions - they were barely used, and I used my own liners. 

I paid $250 for the leathers brand new, but I think that’s a pretty  good price compared to what they normally cost. AND, when your boots allow you to ride all day without pain, and they feel the way you want, and they’re sexy, it’s hard to put a price on that

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17/04/2019 4:22 pm  

I said $400+ RETAIL prices. Who here regularly pays retail for their gear? I certainly don't! I got my SLXs with a discount code straight from Burton as a thank you for when I volunteered for CHILL. They were $350. My first nikes were bought through a connection at nike. I think I paid around $200? My other nikes were off of ebay. Other boots were snagged at end of season sales. Paying retail is for people with more $$$ than me unless it's for something that I can't get any other way.


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17/04/2019 6:27 pm  

Oh we saw that, I think we were all just talking about the prices we did actually pay. I would never pay retail for anything.

That said, if for some reason there was no option for boots other than retail, I would sack up and still buy what works best for me.

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18/04/2019 12:12 am  

Full retail is for marks.


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