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MarkusM
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19/04/2019 2:27 pm  

friends loved them so i decided to try them out. they are still rocking them.

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20/04/2019 6:40 pm  
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Are we sure that tech wise (materials) we can create boots that are comfortable and durable/long lasting at the same time and at a reasonable cost??

Because B tried that with some Ions in the past that promised that (more or less) and those stuff were the worst crap i ever slipped my feet in.

The ions with the infinite ride liners (15 16?) Are dope, but yeah, the liners don't really break in. A lot of people had fit issues. To me they're perfect apart from a little heel hold tampering on my second pair with a bootfitter and the outer shell material seems bomb proof. Closest to great fit that lasts and lasts. My first pair still has some life left, second pair for this season is starting to collapse a bit on left boots medial side near the arch, but that still doesn't create pressure issues as I think the liner helps mitigate that.

If you could get similar liners with custom fitting, that would be pretty close.

Those things were AIDS. There hasn't been another piece of snowboard equipment that i had the urge to set on fire.

no doubt. THE WORST. if you take them out good luck getting them back in without some lube of some kind. just head shakingly stupid.

oh and we are more correct about it because THEY ARE FUCKING GONE.


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20/04/2019 7:14 pm  

I air mine out almost every time after I ride, and I find them easy to put back in. What issue(s) did you run into?

People have been speaking negatively about them since they came out.  Comparatively, it would seem like I have had completely different boots from a different company 😜

If anyone has new or lightly used infinite ride liners in size 9, I will take them all

*this is not to say I don’t believe you guys, it’s just a very different experience than I have had over the last 6 seasons. 

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21/04/2019 12:15 am  

Same here, slide back in easy. The negative is I have to take them out to dry every time after riding otherwise they'll stink up and don't dry for the next day.

So controversial makes you think if there was a shitty batch. Lots of local pros love em, also heard from a couple they were turds. Still stands that the liners last super long regardless, problems are with either fit or shells.


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21/04/2019 1:01 am  

I’ve never had issues with not airing-out boots/liners. Didn’t do it at all until the third season I was riding infinite ride - even having lived in southeast AK my whole life, one of the wettest places you can be. I just got into the habit of pulling liners out when I get home...

All boots will hold moisture between the layers, but as long as you don’t leave them in your vehicle overnight, they should (I think) dry out enough. I ride in rain often enough, and 99.99999999% humidity most days...

my only point was that I remove & replace my IR liners most days I ride, and have always found it easy to replace them. But, we are probably “dumb” for some reason.....

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21/04/2019 1:08 am  

Yes, the nervous link between our underdeveloped brains and fucked up alien feet must be severed somehow, hah.

Yeah couple times forgot them inside in the room, both wet between shell and liner and almost no dissipation of dampness from inside either, like dipping my feet into buckets of water. That was after a full on slush day though.


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22/04/2019 2:50 am  

I always take out the liners to dry, just makes sense to me.

i wish burton implemented some kind of adidas boost type cushioning in their boots. I love the way my ir Ions fit but would appreciate a thicker sole with more cush and dampening.


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22/04/2019 5:54 am  
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I always take out the liners to dry, just makes sense to me.

i wish burton implemented some kind of adidas boost type cushioning in their boots. I love the way my ir Ions fit but would appreciate a thicker sole with more cush and dampening.

The El Mejors have a very similar fit to the IR Ions, but with a thicker sole. Flex is smoother and feels broken in from the start. Team boots are similar. I'd try Nitro boots if you get a chance.


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22/04/2019 6:45 am  
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All of this boils down to the fact that boots are both the single most important piece of snowboarding gear and also the one that still needs the most improvement. Boards, bindings, outerwear, goggles, etc. are available from multiple brands that cover just about every reasonable pricepoint and use scenario. Boots seem to fit very few people well, and also appear to have a much higher failure rate than any other piece of gear. Beyond cosmetics, the segment leaders (Burton, Salmon, K2, Ride, Adidas, thirtytwo, DC) have made only small improvements in the last 10+ years to boots. Many of us are in boots with $400+ retail prices that we have to replace every two or three seasons. That sucks.

The fault is part on us, as snowboarders, and part on the segment leaders. Most snowboarders are more concerned about looks then performance and duralibilty, and the main companies are taking advantage of it (no durability = more yearly sales). To increase performance and durability, more obvious plastic components would have to be integrated in the boots. Most "core" snowboarders are so fucking obsessed and afraid to look like "skiers" that the acceptance of anything that would really be an improvement is almost impossible.

See the splitboard thread for evidence  👍 

Not sure I agree. The splitboard thread involves some skepticism about whether or not hard shell boots purpose-built for skiing (and which are apparently most functional for the touring aspect of both splitboarding and ski touring) can be as functional for snowboarding as currently-available dedicated soft shell snowboard boots are.

As for whether or not snowboarders' claimed aesthetic preferences against exposed plastic on boots is the root cause for the lack of progress in snowboard boots over the last-ish decade, I'm not sure that I agree with that, either. Ski boots are designed for skiing. As such, they are designed to flex toe-heel but are designed purposely to minimize flex medially-laterally. That is not optimum for most snowboarding, where controlled flex at the ankle is needed in all potential directions. [Also of note is Burton's current line-up of boots (probably the most popular boot brand on the market), which features exposed plastic shells on the toes of the Ion, Ion Boa, Toursit, Tourist X, and Driver X.]


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22/04/2019 9:11 am  

what Chad otterstrom can do on what is most likely a heavily modified set up is irrelevant


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22/04/2019 9:23 am  

Who gives a shit what Otterstrom did in one video.  You could probably put him in 25 yr old gear and he could still probably film that same part. 

Meaningless. 

I don't want shit to do with hardboots ( or 25yr old gear ) 

They're dumb. 


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22/04/2019 9:25 am  
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what Chad otterstrom can do on what is most likely a heavily modified set up is irrelevant

except they are atomic backlands with a simple link lever swap. I think most of you have never picked up a touring boot that is suitable for splitboarding


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22/04/2019 10:58 am  

I can snowboard in Burton rental boots if I have to. That doesn't make them a better choice for me than my SLXs. A video or testimonial that one pro can ride a snowboard through the park in a ski touring boot with plate bindings doesn't mean shit. If they were superior for snowboarding, more snowboarders would use them.

I do believe that they are likely superior for the tour mode part of splitboarding. It makes sense that when your snowboard has been converted into two skis, ski boots probably temporarily work better for what has temporarily become skiing. Again, I choose to optimize my performance when I am going downhill in snowboard mode because it's the whole reason I am there. I also don't prioritize splitboarding over snowboarding. If you do, there are websites where you might find a more like-minded audience. Whatever your hard boot envangelism goals are, I don't think that hard boots are better for the riding that most of the snowboarders on this forum seem to enjoy.


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22/04/2019 11:05 am  

As for drying liners, I have one of those forced air boot/glove dryer things. It works well and dries my liners out without me having to remove them from my shells. I use one of the travel versions when I am on the road. When my boots are done drying, I store them with these shoe/boot deodorizer/dehumidifier things called "SmellWell" in them:

https://smellwell.com/en/

They keep my boots from smelling like hockey equipment and hopefully will help the liners last as long as possible.


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24/04/2019 6:25 am  
Posted by: Elektropow
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I always take out the liners to dry, just makes sense to me.

i wish burton implemented some kind of adidas boost type cushioning in their boots. I love the way my ir Ions fit but would appreciate a thicker sole with more cush and dampening.

The El Mejors have a very similar fit to the IR Ions, but with a thicker sole. Flex is smoother and feels broken in from the start. Team boots are similar. I'd try Nitro boots if you get a chance.

Thanks. I’ve just scored a pair of Adidas Tactical Boost’s on the cheap, so will give them a try first. I expect them to break in into a nice medium flex, good, go anywhere boot, more freestyley (softer) than the Ion. El Mejors look interesting tho


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