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15/11/2019 11:45 am  

Prior to running NOW bindings I'd have dismissed hardboots as an idea that had a place in my snowboarding. However, in my experience the small difference in where the main point of energy transference of now bindings occurs closer to the edge of the board was a revelation in my understanding of what I was actually doing while riding. I don't think up until that I had even much thought about it. And I wholly expected to find the Now bindings a gimmick and in my mind I was only trying them to have a legitimate position to shit on them. 

Once I had put enouogh time on Now and spent formulating my understanding of what was happening, I started to look at the gecko plate with interest and think about energy efficiency. 

Its just plain to see in my mind that the soft boot and strap bindings are really not very efficient at taking energy inputs and directing them to the most usable positions. Too may soft moving parts sucking away input. But... overall comfortable.

I'm at the point where in my mind, if I spent a whole lot of time splitting or doing riding where these issue really count, I'd very very likely be on a hardboot. The reasoning makes sense to me now.

The way it is, what I have is fine and I really don't know what I'm missing out on in an practical sense. I expect there's an optimal middle ground between fatigue from over exertion in energy loss and fatigue from the jarring rigidity. Where that is I have no idea. I don't particularly like stiff boots...even as soft boots go. But I'm probably not riding anything in a way that it matters all that much regardless.

But yea. Bring on the hardboots. I'd love to see what I'm missing. 

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15/11/2019 12:26 pm  

no, absofuckinglutely no (for me)

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15/11/2019 2:21 pm  

I agree with the premise that snowboard boots quit really progressing (beyond closure systems) more than a decade ago. I disagree with the premise that hard boots and plate bindings are the obvious end goal for improvement. They MIGHT be, but let's see more/other things that address fit, performance, and durability (like novel molding, material, design, lasting, liner/shell integration, etc.) before accepting that a "snowboard" version of ski boots is the answer.


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15/11/2019 3:58 pm  

LOL WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS THREAD

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15/11/2019 7:22 pm  

There are just as many cons to hard boots, probably more cons than anything for the vast majority of folks. One is not better than the other, they’re not on a linear plane with each other, they are just two options.

The fact that soft boots with strap bindings are not locked down like a ski boot is part of what is good about snowboard boots & snowboarding. They are supposed to be that way. But of course, if you are riding a certain way where you think the connection & feel that hardboots offer will be better for you, go forth

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15/11/2019 9:30 pm  

that article is silly

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16/11/2019 8:08 am  

Hardbooting is like sexual curiosity. You see that sexy mf'er in spandex roll up to the life line and you think to yourself "I could throw some sick Euro carves on that setup". Then you get on the chair and quickly snap out of it and think screw that I'm going to stick with what I know. 

I'm not the only one who thinks this way here.... r...right?


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16/11/2019 7:59 pm  

back to real snowboard boots--I just ordered me up some 2020 Adidas Lexicons, Sambas, Nitro Venture Pro TLS and traditional laces as well as some of last year's Deluxe Footloose.  Will be curious to see what feels right when they all arrive next week. Long live Kaiju's!

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18/11/2019 10:56 am  
Posted by: @soymateo

back to real snowboard boots--I just ordered me up some 2020 Adidas Lexicons, Sambas, Nitro Venture Pro TLS and traditional laces as well as some of last year's Deluxe Footloose.  Will be curious to see what feels right when they all arrive next week. Long live Kaiju's!

If you want Kaijus, why not try Nico's new thirtytwo pro model, the Mullair? Aren't they supposed to be based on what he liked about the Kaiju?


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18/11/2019 3:13 pm  
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back to real snowboard boots--I just ordered me up some 2020 Adidas Lexicons, Sambas, Nitro Venture Pro TLS and traditional laces as well as some of last year's Deluxe Footloose.  Will be curious to see what feels right when they all arrive next week. Long live Kaiju's!

If you want Kaijus, why not try Nico's new thirtytwo pro model, the Mullair? Aren't they supposed to be based on what he liked about the Kaiju?

considered adding those in to my large order/try-on but the footprint is massive on them.  Really trying to lean Adidas due to the tiny footprint.  If the new Nico boot was a reasonable footprint they'd prob be perfect (for a Kaiju replacement).

Currently trying on the Samba and Lexicon.  Lexicon is a FAR superior boot and may be the ticket.  Sized down to a 10.5 (was wearing 11.5 Kaiju's) and the footprint is tiiiiny even compared to my 10.5 first-year Taro's that have been my work horse since my last pair of Nikes.  The Taro was about an inch smaller than the Kaiju it felt like and the Lexicon is another 3/4" smaller than the Taro.  Comfy right out of the box, VG liner and boost midsole, plus a nice semi-articulated cuff and backbone similar to what the Kaiju had and a leather framework with some other material in between everywhere except the toe box.  The Samba is fully articulated cuff, shorter backbone and full leather.  The Samba liner has odd pressure point for me and when flexing bows out liked crazy just kind of folding over a pressure point at the crease of my ankle.  Maybe they're money when broken in as I love soft boots, but man I gotta say these Lexicons may be the ticket.

Super curious to get the Nitro Venture Pro to compare to these.

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18/11/2019 3:23 pm  

also, for all you skinny ankle guys very concerned about heel hold, the Lexicon has prob the most aggressive liner I've ever tried on for heel hold padding.  I like some movement in my boots but the Samba was a super wide heel.  The Lexicon is snug but not in a bad way; prob what most of you prefer and like or would say you even want more.  

Im summary: Lexicon seems like a great boot for $350.  Samba doesn't seem like a good boot for $260

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18/11/2019 8:19 pm  

Still rockin kaijus for 19-20. Got one fresh pair of triple blacks left. 

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18/11/2019 8:30 pm  

I had two brand new pairs sitting in boxes up to last season, but as much as I love them the footprint was too big for me at 11.5 so I made the decision to pass them along via eBay and search for greener, smaller pastures.

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18/11/2019 8:55 pm  

9.5 for me. Part of me wants to try something else. The other parts of me (my feet) are good living in the past. Ive always been a tradish lace guy. I’ve tried on tons of other stuff including boas and speedzone. I want to like a pair of leather ions or support vans snow in any way. Lot of Adidas love in here that I’ve taken notice of. I always enjoy this thread for when I do finally make the switch. 

After that hardboot pitch article I’ve started self modding all my sneakers with plastic. My sk8 hi’s have so much fucking support right now!!!! YAY PLASTIC

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19/11/2019 12:12 am  

@soymateo even with me rocking size 13s, I kind of quit obsessing about the footprint reduction and went for wider boards - though I'm still not on anything gigantic, footprint-wise. I gained about a quarter of an inch in footprint length from my Ions to my ZoomITES and LunarEndors. Back down that quarter of an inch to my SLXs. The Vans Verses seem to have gained that quarter of an inch back. Whatevs. The Super 8 has a 268 ww and the Moss is rocking a 277 ww. The thing that killed me with thirtytwo TM-2s was the volume of the shells. Could barely get my straps around them. The Mullairs didn't look as boxy as the TM2s, and I'm surprised to hear that they have a big footprint.


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