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08/11/2018 6:27 pm  
Posted by: Lonz

Yeah dude, Intuition liners are a must.  They have two new ones for this season that I am eyeing, the new Tour Wrap, which is like a power wrap, but with a little neoprene bit to facilitate better rearward flex when touring in ski boots, and a new snowboard-specific liner designed by Mark Fawcett.  The latter looks fucking amazing. 

Yep, it's amazing. I tried the SBC wrap liner but it was too tall and is only Medium Volume. The benefit of having Intuition liners HQ right here in Vancouver is I just went with my shells and we looked at a few different liners, different heat molding, jbars, insoles etc. to get a guaranteed perfect fit. I can come back anytime, to reheat, adjust, etc.

Best fit for me was a High Volume (for low volume feet) Luxury liner. With extra intuition foam Jbars as well. With that combo, my feet are LOCKED and the liner stiffens up the boot considerably. I get no heel left even with the boot unlaced and my feet are in perfect comfort.

Only downside is the Luxury is a tongue liner and the tongue would shift, so I had to get a couple of Atomic velcro tie thingies and now it takes a long time to get the boot all done and laced up. I need to take it to a modifications shop to rig some velcro or something so I can boot up quickly. I definitely prefer the wrap type liners, but with the fit in was able to get and knowing I can just swap in the liner on almost any boot, it's pretty neat..

 

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08/11/2018 6:32 pm  

Yeah both Malamutes and Nike fit really well for me as well. Nike i just don't want to fall in love only to have them disappear.... if only they came back...


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08/11/2018 6:54 pm  
Posted by: SoyMateo

this thread makes me embarrassed by my boot setup/preferences   

Embarrassed doesn't even cover it for me

5'9" | 185 lbs | US9 boots (K2 TT) | Now - Drive & YES. | Gnu Beast 158 | YES. 420 148 | Arbor Clovis 157 | Camber, S-Rocker, Flat to Rocker | 150cm-160cm | Some Taper | Neat shapes are neat


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08/11/2018 7:40 pm  
Posted by: BFBF

I have narrow feet- I've owned or tried on various boots over the years : Burton, 32, Ride, k2, adidas, vans --- nike is by far the best fit/comfort for my narrow ass foot -- 

My lunars are a few years old and still look brand new with very little breakdown. ---

if you have a narrow foot and want a super comfortable boot = ebay = lunarendor or Kaiju

my kaijus fit great and lasted me like 2-3 seasons, but my lunars packed out after like 10 days and mid-foot forward got super loose. idk wtf happened, or why it was different than the kaijus.

are nikes heat moldable? if they are, maybe i could give that a try...

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08/11/2018 8:02 pm  

My ultimate boot was the Taro Tamai with the tall Jake Blauvelt liner + Intuition powerstraps. 

Trying out the Vans Verse and Linerless DX this season (thanks Parker).

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08/11/2018 8:24 pm  

kaiju's were my all time favorite; if only their footprint wasn't so big.

Who has ridden the Vans linerless DX and/or the Deluxe footloose??

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08/11/2018 8:25 pm  
Posted by: SoyMateo

this thread makes me embarrassed by my boot setup/preferences   

Does it really though?🤔😂

Holy details! Only thing worse would be if pics were included of all your nasty ass, crusty green, jungle rot alligator feet! Excuse me while I go fukin vom🤮

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08/11/2018 8:40 pm  
Posted by: slim253
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I have narrow feet- I've owned or tried on various boots over the years : Burton, 32, Ride, k2, adidas, vans --- nike is by far the best fit/comfort for my narrow ass foot -- 

My lunars are a few years old and still look brand new with very little breakdown. ---

if you have a narrow foot and want a super comfortable boot = ebay = lunarendor or Kaiju

my kaijus fit great and lasted me like 2-3 seasons, but my lunars packed out after like 10 days and mid-foot forward got super loose. idk wtf happened, or why it was different than the kaijus.

are nikes heat moldable? if they are, maybe i could give that a try...

Yah they are heat moldable although I didn't heat any of the 3 I'm hording as they all came from ebay

6'1"| 185lbs| US 9.5 Nike Lunar/Kaiju| k2 87 155 | k2 Ultra Dream 161 | Ride Timeless 162 | Burton Panhandler 156 | Burton Trick Pilot 158 | Jones Aviator 160| Lib Ejack 159| NS intsagator 159|“Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true.”


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08/11/2018 9:58 pm  

@captainlurk lolol; alright, I guess it was more a reflection of my lack of caring about and apparent embracing of foot movement and heel lift.  I hate feeling like my legs are in a cast

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09/11/2018 12:31 am  

I just want to feel locked down as much as possible so that I can more precisely control my snowboard. I'm not trying to eliminate flex, I just want to eliminate sloppiness.


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09/11/2018 7:05 am  
Posted by: c.fuzzy
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Sometimes you've just got to get super aggressive with the boot foam.

With these mods, my foot is locked in like a cast, yet still totally comfortable.

 

IMG 1145

Please explain this magic

@c-fuzzy    So, on the shin is some high density boot foam. It's referred to as a "break pad". It actually helps a TON towards heel lift, not only do you need to make the liner tight around your heel, but if it has nowhere to go forward then your heel lift is solved that way as well. By adding the break pad it makes it so I don't have to over tighten my boots, when I first start to tighten my my boots there is now 100% positive contact between the tongue and liner, so tightening my boots are actually tightening the boots and not just taking up the space between the tongue and liner, or liner and foot. 

It's the same general principal on the sides of my forefoot as well. By adding that foam ( medium density ) when I put my foot in the liner it is now in contact with my foot all the way down the side, there is no voids and now when I start to tighten my boots it's actually tightening my boots and not just taking up the space in voids. 

Voids are really the issue in boot fitting. Generally the first lets say 1/3-1/2 of tightening you do on your boots is a lot of taking up voids. Even with that being true, there are still spots on your boot/foot where when that void is being closed that your foot was already in contact and those spots are where you are going to get over tightening.

So by figuring out where voids are and eliminating those, two things happen. First, you stop over tightening your boots to get the correct fit/no heel lift. Second, you just don't need to tighten your boots nearly as tight because you start off with 100% positive contact all around your foot, you're already locked into your liner when you initially put your foot in. 

It's a science and an art, and it takes a bunch of experimenting to get right, but once you get it right, it's like a dream. The snowboard shop that I worked at for a long long time was owned by people that also had a ski shop that had been around forever and they had 2 master boot fitters on staff and those guys taught me a lot. The owners also sent me to Superfeet boot fitting clinics that Superfeet would put on every year for boot fitters and I learned a lot, I think I went 5 or 6 times. We crushed it on boots vs. the on the other snowboard shop in our town because of our boot fitting magic. Basically if you make someones feet 100% happy, they'll be so stoked that they will buy everything else from you.. 

Before I get crazy and use permanent glue on my boots I use the cheap self-adhesive boot foam to figure out where, what and how much foam is needed to make everything right, honestly that takes about 5-6 days of riding. Then when I'm sure everything is good to go I use the good foam and a spray on glue to make things permanent and make cambered edges so taking the liners in and out of my boots won't fuck up the foam.

@matty    I use 3m Foam Fast 74, its a specialty one made for foam/fabric. 

@alonzo   It's just foam on the tongue. Yes, it's there to fill the void between the liner and tongue and make it so I don't have to over tighten my boots... 

 

These are pics of the full liner... 

 

IMG 1143
IMG 1144
IMG 1142
IMG 1141

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09/11/2018 7:55 am  
Posted by: pow_hnd
Posted by: c.fuzzy
Posted by: pow_hnd

Sometimes you've just got to get super aggressive with the boot foam.

With these mods, my foot is locked in like a cast, yet still totally comfortable.

 

IMG 1145

Please explain this magic

@c-fuzzy    So, on the shin is some high density boot foam. It's referred to as a "break pad". It actually helps a TON towards heel lift, not only do you need to make the liner tight around your heel, but if it has nowhere to go forward then your heel lift is solved that way as well. By adding the break pad it makes it so I don't have to over tighten my boots, when I first start to tighten my my boots there is now 100% positive contact between the tongue and liner, so tightening my boots are actually tightening the boots and not just taking up the space between the tongue and liner, or liner and foot. 

It's the same general principal on the sides of my forefoot as well. By adding that foam ( medium density ) when I put my foot in the liner it is now in contact with my foot all the way down the side, there is no voids and now when I start to tighten my boots it's actually tightening my boots and not just taking up the space in voids. 

Voids are really the issue in boot fitting. Generally the first lets say 1/3-1/2 of tightening you do on your boots is a lot of taking up voids. Even with that being true, there are still spots on your boot/foot where when that void is being closed that your foot was already in contact and those spots are where you are going to get over tightening.

So by figuring out where voids are and eliminating those, two things happen. First, you stop over tightening your boots to get the correct fit/no heel lift. Second, you just don't need to tighten your boots nearly as tight because you start off with 100% positive contact all around your foot, you're already locked into your liner when you initially put your foot in. 

It's a science and an art, and it takes a bunch of experimenting to get right, but once you get it right, it's like a dream. The snowboard shop that I worked at for a long long time was owned by people that also had a ski shop that had been around forever and they had 2 master boot fitters on staff and those guys taught me a lot. The owners also sent me to Superfeet boot fitting clinics that Superfeet would put on every year for boot fitters and I learned a lot, I think I went 5 or 6 times. We crushed it on boots vs. the on the other snowboard shop in our town because of our boot fitting magic. Basically if you make someones feet 100% happy, they'll be so stoked that they will buy everything else from you.. 

Before I get crazy and use permanent glue on my boots I use the cheap self-adhesive boot foam to figure out where, what and how much foam is needed to make everything right, honestly that takes about 5-6 days of riding. Then when I'm sure everything is good to go I use the good foam and a spray on glue to make things permanent and make cambered edges so taking the liners in and out of my boots won't fuck up the foam.

@matty    I use 3m Foam Fast 74, its a specialty one made for foam/fabric. 

@alonzo   It's just foam on the tongue. Yes, it's there to fill the void between the liner and tongue and make it so I don't have to over tighten my boots... 

 

These are pics of the full liner... 

 

IMG 1143
IMG 1144
IMG 1142
IMG 1141

So my cursory searches with combinations of the words 'high density' 'boot' 'fitter' 'foam' etc. have not been very rewarding.

Where do you source these foams or how can I go about getting some to try this?

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09/11/2018 8:16 am  
Posted by: c.fuzzy
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Posted by: c.fuzzy
Posted by: pow_hnd

Sometimes you've just got to get super aggressive with the boot foam.

With these mods, my foot is locked in like a cast, yet still totally comfortable.

 

IMG 1145

Please explain this magic

@c-fuzzy    So, on the shin is some high density boot foam. It's referred to as a "break pad". It actually helps a TON towards heel lift, not only do you need to make the liner tight around your heel, but if it has nowhere to go forward then your heel lift is solved that way as well. By adding the break pad it makes it so I don't have to over tighten my boots, when I first start to tighten my my boots there is now 100% positive contact between the tongue and liner, so tightening my boots are actually tightening the boots and not just taking up the space between the tongue and liner, or liner and foot. 

It's the same general principal on the sides of my forefoot as well. By adding that foam ( medium density ) when I put my foot in the liner it is now in contact with my foot all the way down the side, there is no voids and now when I start to tighten my boots it's actually tightening my boots and not just taking up the space in voids. 

Voids are really the issue in boot fitting. Generally the first lets say 1/3-1/2 of tightening you do on your boots is a lot of taking up voids. Even with that being true, there are still spots on your boot/foot where when that void is being closed that your foot was already in contact and those spots are where you are going to get over tightening.

So by figuring out where voids are and eliminating those, two things happen. First, you stop over tightening your boots to get the correct fit/no heel lift. Second, you just don't need to tighten your boots nearly as tight because you start off with 100% positive contact all around your foot, you're already locked into your liner when you initially put your foot in. 

It's a science and an art, and it takes a bunch of experimenting to get right, but once you get it right, it's like a dream. The snowboard shop that I worked at for a long long time was owned by people that also had a ski shop that had been around forever and they had 2 master boot fitters on staff and those guys taught me a lot. The owners also sent me to Superfeet boot fitting clinics that Superfeet would put on every year for boot fitters and I learned a lot, I think I went 5 or 6 times. We crushed it on boots vs. the on the other snowboard shop in our town because of our boot fitting magic. Basically if you make someones feet 100% happy, they'll be so stoked that they will buy everything else from you.. 

Before I get crazy and use permanent glue on my boots I use the cheap self-adhesive boot foam to figure out where, what and how much foam is needed to make everything right, honestly that takes about 5-6 days of riding. Then when I'm sure everything is good to go I use the good foam and a spray on glue to make things permanent and make cambered edges so taking the liners in and out of my boots won't fuck up the foam.

@matty    I use 3m Foam Fast 74, its a specialty one made for foam/fabric. 

@alonzo   It's just foam on the tongue. Yes, it's there to fill the void between the liner and tongue and make it so I don't have to over tighten my boots... 

 

These are pics of the full liner... 

 

IMG 1143
IMG 1144
IMG 1142
IMG 1141

So my cursory searches with combinations of the words 'high density' 'boot' 'fitter' 'foam' etc. have not been very rewarding.

Where do you source these foams or how can I go about getting some to try this?

I buy it from my local boot fitting shop. The Sport Loft in SLC.  It's not easy stuff to get, the stuff they get is from Europe and they have about 5 different density foams.

I'd try your local boot fitters. I know SVST used to sell some back in the day but I think they do wholesale only. 

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09/11/2018 9:34 am  

y'all are insane in an impressive way. can't say my feet have ever been uncomfortable enough to send me to these lengths of customization to my boots. i do however like this potential idea from @nmb of buying new liners for my taros to maybe stiffen them up a bit/just give them more life

5'9" | 185 lbs | US9 boots (K2 TT) | Now - Drive & YES. | Gnu Beast 158 | YES. 420 148 | Arbor Clovis 157 | Camber, S-Rocker, Flat to Rocker | 150cm-160cm | Some Taper | Neat shapes are neat


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09/11/2018 10:11 am  
Posted by: Mr. Irrelevant

y'all are insane in an impressive way. can't say my feet have ever been uncomfortable enough to send me to these lengths of customization to my boots. i do however like this potential idea from @nmb of buying new liners for my taros to maybe stiffen them up a bit/just give them more life

I've spent the last 30 years of snowboarding wishing I was one of those people who just stuck my feet into boots and they fit great and were comfortable.  

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