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02/04/2019 8:40 am  

Noticed that also with different boards (all sintered). But you cant possibly know from the start how the base is going to be (soft, hard). No MFG lists the exact base they chose from the supplier. 


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02/04/2019 9:36 am  
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Noticed that also with different boards (all sintered). But you cant possibly know from the start how the base is going to be (soft, hard). No MFG lists the exact base they chose from the supplier. 

Exactly. Seems Niche's price tags are in correlation with a very high spec board though, from the base to insides. Last time I was riding as good of a base was on a Salomon. Glad I got another mothership version for back up, hah.


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02/04/2019 10:33 am  
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I heard there's a special way to wax your base so that it'll last the whole season. There's one place here that's doing that charges like 80 euros. I don't know how, maybe it's the pressurising methos, but had a look at a couple dudes boards and they looked smooth and half way through a season without a wax job.

 

Are you talking about infrared?


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02/04/2019 11:28 am  
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I heard there's a special way to wax your base so that it'll last the whole season. There's one place here that's doing that charges like 80 euros. I don't know how, maybe it's the pressurising methos, but had a look at a couple dudes boards and they looked smooth and half way through a season without a wax job.

 

Are you talking about infrared?

Maybe he's talking about Phantom?


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02/04/2019 1:48 pm  

Hah, I'm not sure nor have I tried to find out. I'll ask around, kinda interested what the method is.


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02/04/2019 1:56 pm  
Posted by: matty
Posted by: Triple8Sol
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I heard there's a special way to wax your base so that it'll last the whole season. There's one place here that's doing that charges like 80 euros. I don't know how, maybe it's the pressurising methos, but had a look at a couple dudes boards and they looked smooth and half way through a season without a wax job.

 

Are you talking about infrared?

Maybe he's talking about Phantom?

My friend swears by Phantom.


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02/04/2019 2:36 pm  
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Also, I've seen pro-tuned gentem boards. The bases look and feel like nothing else I've ever seen. Something like the finishes on really high-end wood furniture.

tuning is taken serious over there, there are tune only dedicated shops like t-tune which do work that completely change the characteristics of how a board rides

i can vouch for this. bought a used charlie from japan off a yahoo auction and it had been ridden since tune, but was still super smooth on the bottom, and the edge bevel was a slightly different degree at the nose contacts vs the rest of the board. someone definitely took there time on it.

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03/04/2019 12:12 pm  
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Also, I've seen pro-tuned gentem boards. The bases look and feel like nothing else I've ever seen. Something like the finishes on really high-end wood furniture.

tuning is taken serious over there, there are tune only dedicated shops like t-tune which do work that completely change the characteristics of how a board rides

i can vouch for this. bought a used charlie from japan off a yahoo auction and it had been ridden since tune, but was still super smooth on the bottom, and the edge bevel was a slightly different degree at the nose contacts vs the rest of the board. someone definitely took there time on it.

I can see why someone will bevel the tips differently on a camber board but on a rocker its kind of useless. As for smoothness i've seen a few videos of japanese guys wet sanding their bases (straight lines nose to tail). No idea on the grits though. 320 gives a quite smooth finish in my experience (fucking around on an old board). Experiment (sand a small area) if you have an old broken board.

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03/04/2019 12:52 pm  

^ wet sanding seems very weird. I thought you need more structure in the base so that it can channel melting water created from friction heat. Not that I structure my bases much, just saying.


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03/04/2019 1:35 pm  

what exactly does 'structure' mean in terms of tuning a board? i've only just recently got my own setup and while it seems to get to get crazy into it japanese style...i just don't know enough. my hot waxes seem to be working very well so i got the basics down i guess

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03/04/2019 1:39 pm  
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^ wet sanding seems very weird. I thought you need more structure in the base so that it can channel melting water created from friction heat. Not that I structure my bases much, just saying.

Rode my buddy's new Gentem for a couple of runs at Meadows a few weeks ago. It was pro tuned. The base was soooooo smooth. I had no complaints about glide...


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03/04/2019 1:43 pm  
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what exactly does 'structure' mean in terms of tuning a board? i've only just recently got my own setup and while it seems to get to get crazy into it japanese style...i just don't know enough. my hot waxes seem to be working very well so i got the basics down i guess

https://www.racewax.com/base-structure-theory/

https://www.tognar.com/base_structure_tips_ski_snowboard.html


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03/04/2019 1:49 pm  
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^ wet sanding seems very weird. I thought you need more structure in the base so that it can channel melting water created from friction heat. Not that I structure my bases much, just saying.

Cold/dry = finer structures

Warm/wet = coarser structures

You are usually fine with what comes from the factory and proper wax.


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03/04/2019 2:55 pm  

Furberg Freeride is my only board that came with a discernible structure from the factory. All my other boards seem pretty smooth to the naked eye and I've never geeked out enough to use a magnifying glass to inspect.

Don't know how 320 looks on a board but from knives and razors I've gone up to 2000 for true mirror finish. I'd be curious to experiment with hand-sanding if I rode somewhere super dry & cold but alas we have warm wet days ahead here... 


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22/04/2019 4:02 pm  

Did not find the gnar limit of this board at Whistler's Blackcomb glacier 🙂

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