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04/06/2019 3:51 pm  

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08/06/2019 6:22 pm  

Anyone rocking Burton Gore-Tex Radical jacket or Gore-Tex Reverse bib? How's the waterproofing and quality on these? I read some reviews saying the fabric will get soaked after long time of riding which surprises me.


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09/06/2019 10:42 am  

do you mean radial and reserve?

and no the fabric doesn't get soaked, its gore tex it all works the same. reviewing goretex outerwear beyond features and fit is pointless at best. goretex is goretex, everything works so well these days its ridiculous.

all goretex has lifetime warranties so durability is obviously there.

choose outerwear based on features and fit, waterproofing is essentially an afterthought these days


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09/06/2019 11:11 am  
Posted by: drjcv

do you mean radial and reserve?

and no the fabric doesn't get soaked, its gore tex it all works the same. reviewing goretex outerwear beyond features and fit is pointless at best. goretex is goretex, everything works so well these days its ridiculous.

all goretex has lifetime warranties so durability is obviously there.

choose outerwear based on features and fit, waterproofing is essentially an afterthought these days

There are now Radical/Reverse as well as Gtx Radical/Gtx reverse, guess Burton is trying to fill the less pricy gore-tex market in its product line. Does Radical jacket fit like normal AK cyclic jacket?

I am under the same impression that all gtx outwear should be waterproof and work without issue, thus being surprised when I read couple of reviews saying it gets wet. Guess it could be people being too extra too.


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09/06/2019 12:09 pm  

What can be happening is the dwr finish wearing off leaving the impression of the fabric getting soaked when it’s only the surface getting wet, nothing really gets through gore tex membrane. That said, my experience with Burton brand gore tex clothing is not as stellar as with AK, it’s not as high quality and the fit is different. Still waterproof though. 


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09/06/2019 2:17 pm  

A fabric that absorbs moisture loses the last bit of breathability the membrane allows as well, so moisture builds up inside sometimes to the point you think they've "gotten wet".


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09/06/2019 8:13 pm  

Yep, face/outer material can make the differences you’re noticing, but the actual gore membrane should be working. And elektro is right... that’s a common misinterpretation that folks have - they think their outerwear let water through, when really, it’s just not breathing well enough.

Related - I’ve had 10k jackets with great face material that “appeared” to be more waterproof than some gore stuff I’ve had. Usually it’s tight, burly weaves. The last one I had that comes to mind was the old Ronin love jacket. Some Holden as well.


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10/06/2019 1:33 am  

After moving to the AK freebird bibs I've never in any condition felt wet. First pair lasted about 300 days of riding and last season was the first for the second pair with the stretch stuff and don't think I'm going to use anything else anymore. The outer fabric just doesn't absorb any moisture. At most I've seen a couple spots of water the fabric has absorbed on a heavy dump day, so I guess nothing is 100%, but have yet to see more extreme conditions.

With jackets I'm more lax. The ultimate gum stuff from rip curl is probably my favourite for all conditions features. I still have life in the vdlr, but the fabric isn't half as rugged as the ak gore stuff. Basically I like to use the vdlr for any day besides when it's dumping like shit and Temps are close to melting point or I'm doing full days on a heavy backpack that's packed to the rim with avy stuff etc. 


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10/06/2019 1:53 am  

Love my Freebird bibs. A bit of an overkill for most conditions, they are so bombproof


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10/06/2019 5:38 am  

+1 for the Freebird bib, especially now that they're stretchy.

Picked up a pair for less than $300 on some random Amazon page. Wish I'd grabbed two. 

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10/06/2019 7:39 am  

+2 for Freebirds.  I had a pair a few years ago and sold them because they were a tad snug for my liking.  I bought last years w/stretch and a slightly different fit, and they're probably the best fitting outerwear I've owned.  Freedom of movement without sag, they look great, pockets are perfect, easy in and out, etc.   The material is bomber and they're overkill in 90% of conditions, but I'm a huge fan - definitely one of my favorite pieces of gear.   


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10/06/2019 1:49 pm  

Why aren't they making them full side zip?? 


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10/06/2019 4:27 pm  

To counter your question, why would/should they? It is a snowboarding product from a snowboarding company, neither intended nor designed for mountaineering. Those specific products already exist on a large scale in their own separate industry, and the snowboarding, mountaineering folks I know seem to prefer the dedicated product..

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10/06/2019 11:07 pm  

^ Haha - fair enough.

I'm not a *real* mountaineer, but find full zips convenient even for "normal" touring and riding. Burton has splits in their line (regular and X FAs this year, FA + Dump Truck last), as well as skins and binders and poles (well from G3 and Spark and BD) so I feel justified to ask for 1 model bib with full zips. 

I have purchased full side zips bibs from Trew, Flylow and Westcomb in the past. Mountaineering bibs with full side zips such as Arcteryx Beta SV don't have the room if you want to armor up for the park / gnar or put on / take off a knee brace, etc. and also offer only limited pocket options. I do love my Beta SV for big climb days but most regular days I'd take something like the Freebirds, if only it had full side zips.


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11/06/2019 11:37 am  

Splitboarding does not equate to mountaineering. That's why Burton sells splitboards/splitboard bindings/skins/poles, but doesn't sell climbing harnesses or ropes. Sure, there is a small subset of splitboarders who access terrain that requires the use of mountaineering equipment, but that's still a pretty small part of the overall splitboarding scene.


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