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tierarzt
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13/05/2019 3:13 pm  

What about Cartel bases with Malavita high-backs? Cartel is supposed to be the stiffer binding, but I (and others) find the 'Vita high-back is stiffer. 


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13/05/2019 4:10 pm  
Posted by: tierarzt

What about Cartel bases with Malavita high-backs? Cartel is supposed to be the stiffer binding, but I (and others) find the 'Vita high-back is stiffer. 

paging @Spenser

but re: @elektropow's question, i'm still not sold on the full aluminum baseplates. made myself a frankenset out of warranty parts to give it a feel, and I'd say if you're looking for something stiff but damp, you can't go wrong with the Atlas.

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13/05/2019 8:12 pm  

+1 on malacarte's. I've ridden union, ride, and rome. I always go back to Spenser's malacarte setup.


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13/05/2019 9:17 pm  

i would not call atlas stiff


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13/05/2019 11:46 pm  

The atlas is quite snappy. I mainly rocked the nitro teams last season which were dependable and rode smooth. Stiffer than malacartel, which I've tried. So basically they're ok 95% of the time and boards.  Going toeside they have an ever so slight lag, especially end of the day when you're not 100% anymore, boots start to become looser etc.  

On the PYL for instance and in technical freeride scenarios I much prefer a snappier binding, the kind where you just lean and the board follows and reacts without any delay or extra effort.

@coleslawed, how do you find the aluminum baseplate? Rattles, too unforgiving? I like how the nitro teams feel, smooth tip to tail but snappy with that heelcup. The machines are a bit clunky though, with lack of a better word.. Could try swapping the stiffer ankle straps from the machines and see how that feels.


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14/05/2019 12:21 am  

I do really like my cartel base/vita highback combo. If you want a slightly more responsive malavita, I think they’re a good option, but you have to piece them together yourself.

I don’t usually like truly STIFF bindings, more like 7/10 or so, but I really liked the bent metal solution. Really light, sharp, and stiff without restricting boot movement. I like the transfer a lot too - more of a classic medium.


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14/05/2019 12:32 am  

For next season there will be a Nitro Team Pro binding

I have a pair of Burton Diodes Re:Flex 14/15 in medium for sale if you're interested. 

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14/05/2019 1:55 am  

My go-to's right now is a mod Cartel baseplate w/ either Genies or GenX highback, and their corresponding straps. Cartel x Genies for dd/all-around riding and the Cartel x GenX combo for my more responsive setup. I personally find the newest Cartel baseplate to be relatively close to the response of the GenX baseplate, but a touch lighter in feel.

I used to ride Unions mainly prior to switching to B's, but personally find the baseplates to feel more dead underfoot (in the latest Atlas' & Falcor specifically) in comparison to B bindings.

I bought the Nitro Teams (Drinkwater collab) this past winter to get a feel of Nitro binders, as I've never tried them before. They're a great overall binding, but not quite on the comfort level of B with regards to the straps specifically. But would def rather these over Unions from a performance standpoint, as they're quite close in the comfort department imo.

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14/05/2019 3:31 am  

i bought a pair of cartels this year and did not like them. 

baseplate was to stiff and the footbed was way to mushy. 

its like it takes away to much of the feeling when riding. whatever that means. =P

i would call them dead feeling ^^

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14/05/2019 5:07 am  
Posted by: unsuspected

For next season there will be a Nitro Team Pro binding

I have a pair of Burton Diodes Re:Flex 14/15 in medium for sale if you're interested. 

Yeah drooling over the pro's. I might swap my regular teams for those. 

That's the Diode I had probably, when the highback wasn't gnar stiff yet. After those, I've definitely preferred damper bindings, although otherwise they rode well. Sold them three seasons ago or something. So no thanks, heh.


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14/05/2019 5:12 am  
Posted by: MarkusM

i bought a pair of cartels this year and did not like them. 

baseplate was to stiff and the footbed was way to mushy. 

its like it takes away to much of the feeling when riding. whatever that means. =P

i would call them dead feeling ^^

Yeah I prefer a harder material under heel and toes as well. I hear you on the mushy part. I rode a lot of the regular cork malavitas on my Aether past season. Very freestyle friendly and flexible vs. the teams and I could take them to anywhere basically, but would miss some of the support I like from the team highbacks. Oh, and fuck double take ratchets; plenty of days with fresh snow where I was bashing them open. Not a total freeze up, but annoying. I like the asym hammock strap, but have to keep them in the higher position, otherwise I would get some circulation problems. 

Edit: the mushy padding and overall the malavitas provide more "feel" than the Teams for instance, but are not as solid on edge or as snappy on turns. That airbag on Nitro bindings is niiiiice.

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14/05/2019 6:35 am  

Double takes are nice but I don’t see any real benefit, just added weight and material.

Oh, and then this happened, it wasn’t even all that cold:

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14/05/2019 7:31 am  
Posted by: MarkusM

i bought a pair of cartels this year and did not like them. 

baseplate was to stiff and the footbed was way to mushy. 

its like it takes away to much of the feeling when riding. whatever that means. =P

i would call them dead feeling ^^

The main thing I disliked about this latest Cartel is the new ankle hammock strap it has. It's def the least comfortable and most stiff out of the 3 ankle hammock straps (Vita/Gen/GenX). Which is why I swapped it out asap, with the Genies & GenX straps instead. Also prefer the feel of the hammock'd highbacks of the Gen & GenX over the Cartel highback.

And the double-take ladder issue has only snapped on me once so far, and it was during a super cold day (-30°C ish temps).

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14/05/2019 10:46 am  

to add to the binding talk. i always thought i needed dampening in shoes and bindings to dont get foot fatigue,

but riding with the sorels wich are  a rubber sole and a layer of felt or something so no dampening and i havent had any fot pain or fatigue all season. 

and the feeling just makes me take 14 more runs before going home =P 

broken record i know but i want to get people on the train ;>


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14/05/2019 11:00 am  
Posted by: Elektropow

Might as well pick this thread.. 

Looking into stiffer bindings. Did not quite like the Nitro Machines.

So the El Hefe's look interesting with an adjustable heelcup. Noticed a couple dudes here who've rocked them, can't remember who! Looking at the 2019 model, decent price..

I'd get the Now Drives, but if I want to have them centered toe to heel, I lose stance micro adjustments. Convinced they'd otherwise be solid. 

Just a stiffer, preferably damp but with some flex, binding to use with my stiffer and wider boards freeriding and mainly going fast.

Thoughts?

Ps. I like how the Malavitas ride, but not too keen on the stiffer offerings from B.

I own 3 pairs of El Hefe (2013, 2015, 1016) and they are my favorite bindings. Switched to them after using Burton forever. Responsiveness, adjustable heelcup for boot centering, micro-adjustement of stance width and setback, and the canted footbed options are the main things that I was looking for. I love the toe straps but hated the stock anklestraps. Tried a few different Burton straps on them through the first years but they now all have Hammockstraps. I would love to try the newer Ride ones. I haven't read any feedback on them.

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