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10/11/2018 5:15 pm  
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@gdimac what size dump truck did you have?

The 58.

I've the possibility to buy a 58... How does it feel on snow?? Hard flex? and in pow? 

Ty

Would consider it mid stiff at most, personally. Similar in flex to the FA or the Kazu from my experience. Had it paired with Ion Leathers & Genesis binders, for perspective.

See the Stun gun and the dump in store.. Not so far in "hand test".. My monkey knock me... One of them will be mine... With a pair of Cartel or Genesis est. 

They're similar, but Dump Truck is a little stiffer. Stun Gun is like 5/10 and Dump Truck like 7/10. 


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11/11/2018 9:11 am  
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Hi Guys,

I'm an Italian snowboarder and I've been reading you for some time with satisfaction. First of all sorry for my grammatical errors..  🤣 

I'm searching some Stungun's review.. Anyone has tried? This season I want to return to the B and I love the SG shape... Last year I've ridden Mega and K2 simple pleasure with Union Team bindings. But in the 19 I have to decide between the Stun Gun (155 o 158) and the Skeleton. With Cartel obviously..

The spot where I ride are typically Italian (Cervinia, Campiglio, Livigno). Anyone knows? Intermediate level riding, mostly carve and pow.. I'm not a park fan.. Only few jumps.. Ty for your advice. 

 

Stungun is a softer, mellow predictable ride. it has setback, camber (mostly) and a bit of taper. it rides like how you think it would and is suitable for all but guys trying to ride like how they think jeremy jones rides (meaning super aggressive in any and all conditions).

i haven't been on a skeleton key but i can't imagine it rides significantly different. you would likely enjoy either board.

Ty Drjcv. You think that SG is a soft snowboard? I don't like soft flex.. I prefer medium. At least medium hard flex. Burton made other boards with similar spec but with more flex? I've the possibility to buy the dump truck 18... 

its soft for a freeride board, not aggressively stiff like the dumptruck. not sure where the cut off for soft and medium is, to me there are really only two flexes (outside of ultra soft park boards).

overly stiff and aggressive (dump truck, any jones board, capita mercury) and everything else except park boards.


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11/11/2018 9:16 am  
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 No dis to Jake but the B hype machine is dumb.  Might as well sell red stomp pads, leashes and buckle hardware at Supreme

Please, anything but this. I try not to use the word hate too loosely. But with this whole Hypebeast/Supreme trend, I'm pretty darn close.

And I'm not well read on Greg Dacyshyn, but I def agree w/ @matty with the whole creepy vibe. Feels a little too try hard with the whole hipster vibe. Has he really made a significant impact for B, or more importantly, snowboarding in general?

And the Dump Truck's prob the best board I've been on to date. Local riding, we don't get too many deep days sadly, but man can it rip groomers. Love the taper on it and its overall shape, such a fun charger. And it personally felt lighter than usual compared to other B boards I've ridden, which was awesome for swing weight. Had a ton of fun hitting every sidehit and kicker I could take it on.

The only thing I would consider remotely changing would be to make it a touch stiffer. But that's just me nitpicking. Have a feeling I'm gonna regret selling it, and/or it's gonna find it's way back into my quiver lol.

the Dacychyns are an enigma. its hard to believe they haven't come through for the company in terms of performance or else why would he (they?) have persisted so long? Burtons financials are unknown but i think you'd have to consider them successful.

this whole "lifestyle/glamping" brand thing is a bit tiresome and disappointing but personallyi like to see a private company i grew up with succeed in this super weird fucking environment.

this is the strangest economy i have ever been part of. 


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11/11/2018 10:04 am  

I give 0 shits about what the Dacyshins look like or what they've done for snowboarding. 0 shits about whether Burton branches out as a camping toilet paper brand or goes back to their core backyard basement roots.

If they make stuff that I like and are quality I buy them. If  not, I don't.


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11/11/2018 11:07 am  
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I give 0 shits about what the Dacyshins look like or what they've done for snowboarding. 0 shits about whether Burton branches out as a camping toilet paper brand or goes back to their core backyard basement roots.

If they make stuff that I like and are quality I buy them. If  not, I don't.

Agreed, was just curious to know if they've had a known significant impact on the snowboarding side of things since they've been around with B this long. Or if their influence has been mainly on the soft goods/lifestyle side of the B brand.

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11/11/2018 11:20 am  
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I give 0 shits about what the Dacyshins look like or what they've done for snowboarding. 0 shits about whether Burton branches out as a camping toilet paper brand or goes back to their core backyard basement roots.

If they make stuff that I like and are quality I buy them. If  not, I don't.

Agreed, was just curious to know if they've had a known significant impact on the snowboarding side of things since they've been around with B this long. Or if their influence has been mainly on the soft goods/lifestyle side of the B brand.

Yeah. I didn't even know who that guy was until a couple yrs ago or so, it was mentioned here. But i don't really follow the industry much and I'm kinda old... ish. 

I guess that must make me a prime candidate for a Burton Custom 😀


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11/11/2018 12:33 pm  
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I give 0 shits about what the Dacyshins look like or what they've done for snowboarding. 0 shits about whether Burton branches out as a camping toilet paper brand or goes back to their core backyard basement roots.

If they make stuff that I like and are quality I buy them. If  not, I don't.

Agreed, was just curious to know if they've had a known significant impact on the snowboarding side of things since they've been around with B this long. Or if their influence has been mainly on the soft goods/lifestyle side of the B brand.

he (and his wife) were "creative directors" or some shit so not sure if that impacts the "snowboard side of things" or not


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11/11/2018 2:11 pm  
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I give 0 shits about what the Dacyshins look like or what they've done for snowboarding. 0 shits about whether Burton branches out as a camping toilet paper brand or goes back to their core backyard basement roots.

If they make stuff that I like and are quality I buy them. If  not, I don't.

Agreed, was just curious to know if they've had a known significant impact on the snowboarding side of things since they've been around with B this long. Or if their influence has been mainly on the soft goods/lifestyle side of the B brand.

he (and his wife) were "creative directors" or some shit so not sure if that impacts the "snowboard side of things" or not

Pay by Burton to attend partys and do drugs? Im also kinda older(37) and didn't knew who they were until couple months ago.

I only like Customs pre -00 but this season looks sweet but not a prime candidate for one as Im and surfy soul carving is my jam.

 

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12/11/2018 9:49 am  
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I give 0 shits about what the Dacyshins look like or what they've done for snowboarding. 0 shits about whether Burton branches out as a camping toilet paper brand or goes back to their core backyard basement roots.

If they make stuff that I like and are quality I buy them. If  not, I don't.

Agreed, was just curious to know if they've had a known significant impact on the snowboarding side of things since they've been around with B this long. Or if their influence has been mainly on the soft goods/lifestyle side of the B brand.

he (and his wife) were "creative directors" or some shit so not sure if that impacts the "snowboard side of things" or not

Pay by Burton to attend partys and do drugs? Im also kinda older(37) and didn't knew who they were until couple months ago.

I only like Customs pre -00 but this season looks sweet but not a prime candidate for one as Im and surfy soul carving is my jam.

 

Yeah hahah it seems i should be the market target for some of their boring products. But I'm not. I would buy it if I wanted something like the Custom, which I cross-shopped when i got my Endeavor live a few yrs ago (badass graphic). 

 

But i think they have just totally nailed the North American rad dad, and here I am... with 4 Burton boards.

Forgot the split: 5.

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12/11/2018 10:09 am  

Was diehard C3 for a long time..then I bought a Nice Guy and Con Artist in 2012/13. After that I’ve been on the Burton bandwagon and I try to just ignore the questionable shit. It’s hard to deny the quality of product and customer service Burton provides. 

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12/11/2018 11:02 am  

I stopped by Evo over the weekend to see some of the new boards and bindings they had in stock. Fondled some new United Shapes, Moss, Gentem, Burton, Nitro Quiver etc; it always shocks me how much heavier Burton boards are than other brands these last few years.

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12/11/2018 11:06 am  

i think greg dacyshyn was part of starting analog, maybe had something to do with uninc. more of a branding/marketing person than a hardgoods design person, but those are 2 of the better things b has done on the branding side for sure. maybe the guy is terrible, but not sure why he takes so much heat instead of whoever came up with ideas to kill uninc, knowbuddy, and any significant video projects. or maybe he was that guy, but he's not technically a b employee anymore. he also made a mind boggling physical transformation over the years. 


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12/11/2018 11:43 am  
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 It’s hard to deny the quality of product and customer service Burton provides. 

^ This. While I don't ride B hard goods, I am head to toe in AK, love Anon, and all my luggage is B stuff. Their customer service and warranty is second to none. You can obviously always find someone who had an issue with any company, but for the last 15 years I've been nothing but stoked. AK warranty has always been upheld with no issues, and IMO AK outerwear is the best thought out and highest quality from a snowboard only brand on the market. MFI is ingenious, and step-ons, while not for me, are a great thing for the industry in general and will help bring people in or keep them in ( weekend warriors ). 

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12/11/2018 11:45 am  

Greg Dacyshyn was Burton's chief creative officer until last year when he left and started his own agency - apparently with Burton as his chief client. Anne-Marie Dacyshyn was Burton's chief marketing officer until earlier this year when she left to go take a senior position with a marketing company called GSW Creative. She was with Burton for 12 years, having come to Burton from Gravis in 2006.

I think that the criticism from some on EL towards the Dacyshyns came as a result of "the letter" a few years ago. That letter put a narrative out there that Burton as a company was no longer focused on snowboarders or snowboarding, and that the Dacyshsyns had not only led the charge to focus on lifestyle branding, but that they had done so in a way that made the corporate culture at Burton fairly toxic for those who were focused on snowboarding and snowboarders. There were also stories about sexism, drug use, blah blah blah. Combined with other stories about some of Burton's business strategies and their treatment of their retail partners, it did seem that those in leadership positions at Burton were losing sight of who the customers were who had supported them for over three decades. As the largest company in snowboarding and one of the originators of the marketplace, Burton's actions and seemingly changing priorities garnered some attention.

I am also older (45), and I do try to pay some attention to what's happening within the business side of snowboarding. I enjoy learning about it, and living in Seattle I do occasionally get a chance to meet some of the people involved. Given the opportunity, I like to have at least some idea of who my money might be going to and what they might be doing with it.

As for my personal take on Burton, I think that they make some good products, and I primarily ride their boots and wear their base layers. For me, they are market leaders in those categories. I do think that there are some areas of Burton's seeming corporate culture that I am a little uncomfortable with, and that's the primary reason that I left my (very briefly held) role as one of the members of the advisory board for the Seattle chapter of CHILL. Still, I have no issue with purchasing their products. I haven't bought one of their boards in almost ten years, and haven't had any of their bindings in more than five. I haven't had Burton outerwear since Volcom enforced their patent on ziptech. I just find outerwear, boards, and bindings from other brands to work better for me.

EDIT: Burton luggage seems nice, but I have found stuff that works better for me from The North Face, Dakine, and Patagonia.

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12/11/2018 11:51 am  

what do you like so much about the base layers?  i have  few tech "tall T's" from several years ago that are so long they go almost to my knees, which is rad. i will never not use them.

beyond that i find the pants to saggy, and their polartech stuff is way too expensive.


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