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14/11/2018 10:52 pm  
Posted by: coleslawed

from what i’ve heard CAPiTA received a lot of grants from the Austrian gov’t that helped fund the mothership. they’re one of the biggest employers in the region, and i’m sure the eco-story helped, all of the excess energy generated goes back into the local grid. plus, they are pressing other brands boards, so that also pays the bills. 

that's where capita differs from a lot of other brands, which certainly helps bring in extra revenue. while i agree with all the eco-friendly stuff they're doing, all that technology is expensive -- more so that traditional methods -- and will take years to offset the initial costs. it's like if you put solar panels on your house: while you'll save money on your monthly power bills, it'll take a few years before that savings offsets the cost of the equipment (and installation).

@mbphoto the dream catcher seems to be damn near the exact same specs as the nitro drop, but with two more size options (and $30 USD more). oh, and 10mm setback vs the drop's 20mm, but would anyone really notice??

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14/11/2018 11:39 pm  
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what do you like so much about the base layers?  i have  few tech "tall T's" from several years ago that are so long they go almost to my knees, which is rad. i will never not use them.

beyond that i find the pants to saggy, and their polartech stuff is way too expensive.

Combination of fit, features, and fabric.

  • I prefer the baggy/saggy burton pants to more fitted options from other companies. They don't ride up or down and all of their midweight pants are available as shants, which is my preference for length and fabric weight. They're just perfect for me.
  • In the last two or three years all of the base layer shirts have been cut a little bit longer. Not tall tee length, but long enough so that they stay tucked in. They're cut like a slightly longer version of the tee shirts that I wear when I'm not on the hill. I like that fit. It's comfortable and functional.
  • The long sleeve base layer cuffs on Burton's stuff pretty much all have thumb loops these days, and they're done in such a way that the cuffs still fit like normal ones if you don't want to use the thumb loop.
  • The fabric is the best combination of comfort and performance that I have found. Stretchy and soft like a cotton t shirt, but wicks really well.
  • Other stuff that I've tried from rome, Volcom, dakine, Patagonia, and Airblaster either fits me weird, is only available as a onesie (ninja suits are awesome, but I prefer separate pants and shirt) or the fabrics aren't very comfortable. Burton base layer tops fit me like a normal long-sleeved tee shirt, and the pants fit slim enough to go under my outerwear pants but they're not skin-tight. 

i agree the thumb loops are rad, and i prefer shants as well, but i'm more into the "saxx" or "mypackage"  style baselayers now, although i shudder when i type those stupid fucking names out

I wear the "mypakage" underwear underneath my burton base layer. I like to have my swimsuit area strapped in tight when I'm flailing around in the snow. Agreed on the naming. I think that mypakage has changed its name to BN3TH ( https://www.bn3th.com/), which is not much of an improvement


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15/11/2018 6:00 am  
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from what i’ve heard CAPiTA received a lot of grants from the Austrian gov’t that helped fund the mothership. they’re one of the biggest employers in the region, and i’m sure the eco-story helped, all of the excess energy generated goes back into the local grid. plus, they are pressing other brands boards, so that also pays the bills. 

that's where capita differs from a lot of other brands, which certainly helps bring in extra revenue. while i agree with all the eco-friendly stuff they're doing, all that technology is expensive -- more so that traditional methods -- and will take years to offset the initial costs. it's like if you put solar panels on your house: while you'll save money on your monthly power bills, it'll take a few years before that savings offsets the cost of the equipment (and installation).

@mbphoto the dream catcher seems to be damn near the exact same specs as the nitro drop, but with two more size options (and $30 USD more). oh, and 10mm setback vs the drop's 20mm, but would anyone really notice??

Bit of a risk setting up manufacturing in Austria too. What if market trends led to most brands building in China, thus making the Mothership redundant?

 


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15/11/2018 6:19 am  
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from what i’ve heard CAPiTA received a lot of grants from the Austrian gov’t that helped fund the mothership. they’re one of the biggest employers in the region, and i’m sure the eco-story helped, all of the excess energy generated goes back into the local grid. plus, they are pressing other brands boards, so that also pays the bills. 

that's where capita differs from a lot of other brands, which certainly helps bring in extra revenue. while i agree with all the eco-friendly stuff they're doing, all that technology is expensive -- more so that traditional methods -- and will take years to offset the initial costs. it's like if you put solar panels on your house: while you'll save money on your monthly power bills, it'll take a few years before that savings offsets the cost of the equipment (and installation).

@mbphoto the dream catcher seems to be damn near the exact same specs as the nitro drop, but with two more size options (and $30 USD more). oh, and 10mm setback vs the drop's 20mm, but would anyone really notice??

Bit of a risk setting up manufacturing in Austria too. What if market trends led to most brands building in China, thus making the Mothership redundant?

 

i think thats over simplifying the situation. its all about deals and negotiations in business. obviously the global manufacturing trend for just about everything is to make it in that part of the world. it's up to capita to show those companies why it's better for their business to have their boards made at the mothership...better quality at still fair prices, better R&D, ability to market the eco-friendly process, warranty processing, faster/cheaper shipping, etc. would all play a role in where any brand decides to have their boards pressed. just like they have the chance to convince any of us to buy their product over another brand, they have the chance to convince these other brands to manufacture with them rather than a chinese manufacturer 

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16/11/2018 6:09 am  

For those who rode both Free Thinker and Custom, are they of equal stiffness? The website stiffness chart seems to suggest Free Thinker is a notch stiffer.


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16/11/2018 6:44 am  

I haven't ridden the Free Thinker, but I used the Deep Thinker as my daily last year. IMO, I found it to be somewhere between the Custom and the Custom X as far as "stiffness" goes. The internals of the Free and Deep are the same.

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16/11/2018 7:37 am  

just got my 160W freethinker feels pretty stiff realy digin it .haven't been on snow yet stoked to get out soon .seems stiffer then the custom for sure  not a noodle


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16/11/2018 8:13 am  
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I haven't ridden the Free Thinker, but I used the Deep Thinker as my daily last year. IMO, I found it to be somewhere between the Custom and the Custom X as far as "stiffness" goes. The internals of the Free and Deep are the same.

Gotta agree. Owned the Custom for the past few winters, and rode @awd1105's 60w Deep Thinker. Def felt stiffer, and much more stable at speed. Close to the FA flex range iirc.

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16/11/2018 8:34 am  

How much difference is there between the ride of the Flight Attendant vs the Deep Thinker?  They look quite similar on paper.  Has anyone ridden both?


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16/11/2018 9:33 am  

i had the same thought last season. demo-ed both on a hardback to slush day. i was pretty surprised at how different they felt. mainly, to me the DT felt really lively and dynamic. the FA felt solid and predictable, but kind of dead and flat. not too technical of a description, but, that was my impression. for me the DT was more of what i like, so i bought it, rode it in a variety of conditions for the rest of the season, ands it's for sure one of my favorite boards ever. FWIW going into it i was pretty sure i'd end up taking home the FA. 


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16/11/2018 10:19 am  

have had 4 FAs and loved them, got a DT for this winter so will be super cool to try. =) 

im excited.


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16/11/2018 10:45 am  

I guess I will have to return the Custom that I hoarded and keep the Free Thinker and Kilroy Custom to avoid more nagging from my gf about me owning too many boards.

Personally I love this year's Kilroy Custom, its about the same stiffness, maybe a tad softer than my custom twin, super fun fooling around.

I am not a huge fan of FA, a little too narrow and riding switch feels awkward, may be that's just for me. I tend to prefer twinish boards.

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16/11/2018 11:27 am  
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I guess I will have to return the Custom that I hoarded and keep the Free Thinker and Kilroy Custom to avoid more nagging from my gf about me owning too many boards.

Personally I love this year's Kilroy Custom, its about the same stiffness, maybe a tad softer than my custom twin, super fun fooling around.

I am not a huge fan of FA, a little too narrow and riding switch feels awkward, may be that's just for me. I tend to prefer twinish boards.

Haha I actually find the FA too twin...

 


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16/11/2018 8:59 pm  

Just got the 157 free thinker in hand. Noticeably heavier than 157 deep thinker which really surprised me.


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16/11/2018 10:57 pm  
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I haven't ridden the Free Thinker, but I used the Deep Thinker as my daily last year. IMO, I found it to be somewhere between the Custom and the Custom X as far as "stiffness" goes. The internals of the Free and Deep are the same.

Gotta agree. Owned the Custom for the past few winters, and rode @awd1105's 60w Deep Thinker. Def felt stiffer, and much more stable at speed. Close to the FA flex range iirc.

Actually, I've only got the regular 160, not the wide. Having owned the 1st-year FA 59, I'd agree with @timmeh when he says that the DT feels more lively.

I had a tough time going back to the FA after riding the LandLord and Custom X, and similarly, didn't enjoy my Skeleton Key as much after getting friendlier with the Deep Thinker.

Considering I'm generally a bigger fan of tapered freeride shapes, I thought the CX would've been the odd one out of that bunch. I guess I'm a sucker for that 45-degree carbon... I'd be all over an "X" version of the FA or SK. 

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