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SoyMateo
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19/11/2019 12:47 pm  

has the Quiver line changed from year to year other than graphics?  I know new models are added and offered but essentially aren't we just rehashing the same boards?  Gentem, Moss, Korua, Burton, everyone basically do the same thing so I'm not criticizing, just inquiring.  Have they updated core or base materials at all?  I had a first year Pow 54 and it was great for what it was an price point

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19/11/2019 12:59 pm  

Would you think it was more legit if they unnecessarily “upgraded“ materials just to say it’s different? Same question for any company 

It’s like you said though, they cycle different shapes and change graphics, but the whole point is just to have a fun group of boards with functional shapes that fluctuate over the years. So yes, same as family tree, Korua, etc. 


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19/11/2019 1:18 pm  

CartelX....yes plz.


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19/11/2019 1:20 pm  
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Would you think it was more legit if they unnecessarily “upgraded“ materials just to say it’s different? Same question for any company 

It’s like you said though, they cycle different shapes and change graphics, but the whole point is just to have a fun group of boards with functional shapes that fluctuate over the years. So yes, same as family tree, Korua, etc. 

I’m all for the no need to upgrade yearly. Doing something just to say you’ve done something IMO is dumb. 

I mean honestly, you can put all the “tech” in the world in a board and you still won’t be able to ride any better than when on any other board. Now boards do ride differently, that’s for sure, but a board with more “tech” can’t make a person Terje. 

In the spirit of many things, that’s one reason I’m diggin’ so much on Korua right now. No yearly updates, just every other year, no graphics really ( that means no ink, or all the processes to make, contain, transport, ship and use it. ) and solid bases, no die cutting, no graphics. 

It’s all, different strokes for different folks, but for me, those things right now speak to me. 


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19/11/2019 1:32 pm  

I like that too. I mean, change stuff if you need to, and get rid of materials that maybe didn’t work as well, but no need to change anything for the sake of doing so. It’s a small step in the direction of breaking the tradition of annual production. I like what fullbag does - produce a run of boards when they are ready - it’s more of a collection rather than that year’s model.

The scarcity model will save snowboarding! Maybe. Probably not.

That’s kind of the direction I have gone with my quiver… Instead of getting the new model each year, I am keeping boards from years past that I really like. Old fishes hat they don’t make anymore, etc.…

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19/11/2019 1:39 pm  

i really like those nitro topsheets.. reminiscent of the og family tree and the colorful united shapes of two(?) season ago. Also really liking that there appears to be a swallowtail in the FT, I was just talking to someone last night about how they're overdue for another one like the cloud splitter or skipjack japan... as long as its not a god damn flattop


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19/11/2019 1:53 pm  

The nitro graphics remind me of some old boards, maybe Mervin, pre-2000. Fusion looks sweet.


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19/11/2019 1:58 pm  
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Would you think it was more legit if they unnecessarily “upgraded“ materials just to say it’s different? Same question for any company 

It’s like you said though, they cycle different shapes and change graphics, but the whole point is just to have a fun group of boards with functional shapes that fluctuate over the years. So yes, same as family tree, Korua, etc. 

I’m all for the no need to upgrade yearly. Doing something just to say you’ve done something IMO is dumb. 

I mean honestly, you can put all the “tech” in the world in a board and you still won’t be able to ride any better than when on any other board. Now boards do ride differently, that’s for sure, but a board with more “tech” can’t make a person Terje. 

The thing is though -and it kind of irks me- that we more or less ride boards that are the same tech wise since the mid 90s and earlier. Yes we have come a long way shape/profile wise but i can't think of a single thing that ie made boards 20% lighter or something.


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19/11/2019 2:03 pm  
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Would you think it was more legit if they unnecessarily “upgraded“ materials just to say it’s different? Same question for any company 

It’s like you said though, they cycle different shapes and change graphics, but the whole point is just to have a fun group of boards with functional shapes that fluctuate over the years. So yes, same as family tree, Korua, etc. 

I’m all for the no need to upgrade yearly. Doing something just to say you’ve done something IMO is dumb. 

I mean honestly, you can put all the “tech” in the world in a board and you still won’t be able to ride any better than when on any other board. Now boards do ride differently, that’s for sure, but a board with more “tech” can’t make a person Terje. 

The thing is though -and it kind of irks me- that we more or less ride boards that are the same tech wise since the mid 90s and earlier. Yes we have come a long way shape/profile wise but i can't think of a single thing that ie made boards 20% lighter or something.

I actually think companies whether hard or soft goods shouldn't feel the need to needlessly upgrade their stuff every year just for the sake of doing it.  I have a great Patagonia shell and AK bibs that I've worn for over 4 seasons and they've performed perfectly.  Why recreate the same shell every year with a slightly different zipper color.  Same goes for AK.  The 2L Cyclic is the same jacket every year.  Same goes for all of these boards.  Just let the design ride for even 3 years and decrease the shit being made and pushed on people to consume by a massive amount.  The best thing these companies could do is stop producing just to produce.  I'll give credit to Family Tree for doing single years of shapes and then moving on.  That at least is novel instead of regurgitating the same thing with a different color or topsheet but its all bad when you really consider it.

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19/11/2019 2:11 pm  
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Would you think it was more legit if they unnecessarily “upgraded“ materials just to say it’s different? Same question for any company 

It’s like you said though, they cycle different shapes and change graphics, but the whole point is just to have a fun group of boards with functional shapes that fluctuate over the years. So yes, same as family tree, Korua, etc. 

I’m all for the no need to upgrade yearly. Doing something just to say you’ve done something IMO is dumb. 

I mean honestly, you can put all the “tech” in the world in a board and you still won’t be able to ride any better than when on any other board. Now boards do ride differently, that’s for sure, but a board with more “tech” can’t make a person Terje. 

The thing is though -and it kind of irks me- that we more or less ride boards that are the same tech wise since the mid 90s and earlier. Yes we have come a long way shape/profile wise but i can't think of a single thing that ie made boards 20% lighter or something.

You really don’t think it’s changed that much in 25 years? Boards are definitely lighter and built better in general, better exact material combos, further developed materials, etc.

Personally though, I like the feeling of beefy, less-light construction.


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19/11/2019 2:17 pm  

Boards got pretty light in the early aughts with the T6/T7/Vapours that have given way to the various Mystery boards such that there probably aren't really more advantages to be captured in that regard. 

I'm all for ultra-light splitboards for long climbing days, but I have found that I actually like my resort boards to have a bit of heft to them.  Full-figured boards handle mixed conditions better and don't get bucked around as much.  If I was spinning like a top, I would admittedly probably have a different view, though.

All the same, you can ride a great shape, with a nice core profile, sidecut, a sintered base and a basic glass layup to greatness - my Fullbag, with its straight aspen core and 24oz triax glass is testament to that.  


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19/11/2019 2:20 pm  
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Would you think it was more legit if they unnecessarily “upgraded“ materials just to say it’s different? Same question for any company 

It’s like you said though, they cycle different shapes and change graphics, but the whole point is just to have a fun group of boards with functional shapes that fluctuate over the years. So yes, same as family tree, Korua, etc. 

I’m all for the no need to upgrade yearly. Doing something just to say you’ve done something IMO is dumb. 

I mean honestly, you can put all the “tech” in the world in a board and you still won’t be able to ride any better than when on any other board. Now boards do ride differently, that’s for sure, but a board with more “tech” can’t make a person Terje. 

The thing is though -and it kind of irks me- that we more or less ride boards that are the same tech wise since the mid 90s and earlier. Yes we have come a long way shape/profile wise but i can't think of a single thing that ie made boards 20% lighter or something.

You really don’t think it’s changed that much in 25 years? Boards are definitely lighter and built better in general, better exact material combos, further developed materials, etc.

Personally though, I like the feeling of beefy, less-light construction.

I agree.  I like something that will push snow out of its way instead of getting pushed around by the snow.  

If I were to guess, I bet the biggest advancements in normal snowboards have been in the area of precision core profiling.  I feel like that side of things is super dialed these days.  Advances in materials have been fairly stagnant for many years.  I mean, builders are probably using them more wisely and to better effect, but I don't think the materials have changed much.

On the more fringe side of things, builders have really dialed in the art of incorporating metal into carving and racing boards in ways that make them more durable, but, again, those guys are catering to a tiny, tiny fraction of riders.

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19/11/2019 2:25 pm  

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19/11/2019 3:32 pm  

I counted 4 different splits in that photo.  Also digging the colorway.  Reminds me of Gen1 of family tree


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19/11/2019 4:06 pm  
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Would you think it was more legit if they unnecessarily “upgraded“ materials just to say it’s different? Same question for any company 

It’s like you said though, they cycle different shapes and change graphics, but the whole point is just to have a fun group of boards with functional shapes that fluctuate over the years. So yes, same as family tree, Korua, etc. 

I’m all for the no need to upgrade yearly. Doing something just to say you’ve done something IMO is dumb. 

I mean honestly, you can put all the “tech” in the world in a board and you still won’t be able to ride any better than when on any other board. Now boards do ride differently, that’s for sure, but a board with more “tech” can’t make a person Terje. 

The thing is though -and it kind of irks me- that we more or less ride boards that are the same tech wise since the mid 90s and earlier. Yes we have come a long way shape/profile wise but i can't think of a single thing that ie made boards 20% lighter or something.

You really don’t think it’s changed that much in 25 years? Boards are definitely lighter and built better in general, better exact material combos, further developed materials, etc.

Personally though, I like the feeling of beefy, less-light construction.

Build quality/manufacturing yes. Lib techs and many others were disintegrating back then. We got past that point for sure. But for example Burton was making quality stuff then.  And i am not sure that riding a ie 96-97 Custom will feel like riding something from a long distant past.

And yes we had advancements with stuff like T6/honeycomb cores etc that lonz mentioned but none of these reached the average snowboard you buy now. Those are still more precisely made wood and glass boards.


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