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11/07/2019 8:51 pm  

@BFBF given what you saw of the LL and the construction, can you actually justify $1750 for it?

I've got the OG, while I love it, I can't imagine a lighter version with maybe a slightly faster base is worth a $1k premium...but of course I'd ride the shit out of it if I had it.


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11/07/2019 9:05 pm  
Posted by: tp1_kenobi

@BFBF given what you saw of the LL and the construction, can you actually justify $1750 for it?

I've got the OG, while I love it, I can't imagine a lighter version with maybe a slightly faster base is worth a $1k premium...but of course I'd ride the shit out of it if I had it.

 I actually asked about that --  Didn't get a straight answer besides the lightweight.  As far as the construction, i'm not sure as I only got to play with it for 30 seconds or so and although it looked finished, i'm not positive it was completely built.  I'm not sure when they put it in the infinite ride machine in the build process but that think is wild to watch.

I'm also wondering about the mystery stuff and wondering if its worth the mark up.

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11/07/2019 9:11 pm  

Since a snowboard is not just a fancy thing for the sake of costing a lot of money, there is simply no way to justify that price for a deck. Even 1/3 of that price is hard to justify, and should only be purchased on sale. But, their super expensive decks have never been built with actual snowboarders in mind, they are just an option for (as Nose sad about the union MC) doctors and drug dealers.

Obviously they are still based on boards that we know to be great, so of course they will ride really well, but there’s no reason to buy the mystery versions. If you have that much extra money, send it to me instead! Or buy 5+ decks on sale.


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12/07/2019 2:01 am  
Posted by: drjcv
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Thanks Alexxx - I've never had a softer board so while I think the Process will work well, I'd rather wait for the Kilroy then

all the kilroys are stiffer next year. biax on top, triax on the bottom

Is this a new thing?  I dont remember any B boards having a different top v bottom layup.


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12/07/2019 7:03 am  

i demo'd the mystery landlord last year for half a day. yes it was crazy light, but i wasn't blown away by it in any other regard. it had the same hooky burton sidecut thing that i remember from the juice wagon and i know others have experienced. was it waxed perfectly? prob not. were the edges sharpened and detuned? prob not. but still...i've been blown away the first time on other board w/o those things either so i can't see how anyone could possibly justify the cost in any way other than 'cause i have the money'

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12/07/2019 9:55 am  

The mystery custom made more sense to me as an all-arounder.  Ultra-light pow boards don't make a ton of sense to me, as spin weight is less important and they tend to be ridden through trees a lot, which means lots of impact potential.  I don't trust those feather wight cores to hold up to impact as well as something more substantial.  I could be wrong though.

Ultra-light splits make sense, obviously, but that's a different kettle of fish.

That said, I'm glad these boutique, space-age boards exist.  I'm sure a lot of sweet innovations trickle down to us plebs as a result of them.


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12/07/2019 10:09 am  
Posted by: BFBF

  I'm not sure when they put it in the infinite ride machine in the build process but that think is wild to watch.

 

How quickly does that thing flex the boards?  I've only seen one video of it in action, and I suspect it may be in slow motion.  Dis they tell you anything about how long they put it in there or how many flex cycles it puts a board through?  Any other cool details?
 
I find that concept fascinating.  I believe I remember reading years ago that it is meant to simulate three years worth of riding, which sounds far fetched, even if they are only projecting five riding days per year.


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12/07/2019 10:21 am  
Posted by: drjcv

all the kilroys are stiffer next year. biax on top, triax on the bottom

Crap, and thanks for the intel, drjcv! Wonder why did they have to go stiffer this year, don't they have enough other stiffer boards...

On the mystery boards: definitely makes sense for splits, I have the Flight Attendant X Split and love how it's 10 cm longer and still lighter than my daughter's regular solid deck. Makes a difference when you're skinning up for hours, for sure. On the other hand, I was going back and forth about the Mystery Fish this year and eventually it sold out before I could convince myself I gots to have it.

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12/07/2019 10:32 am  
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  I'm not sure when they put it in the infinite ride machine in the build process but that think is wild to watch.

 

How quickly does that thing flex the boards?  I've only seen one video of it in action, and I suspect it may be in slow motion.  Dis they tell you anything about how long they put it in there or how many flex cycles it puts a board through?  Any other cool details?
 
I find that concept fascinating.  I believe I remember reading years ago that it is meant to simulate three years worth of riding, which sounds far fetched, even if they are only projecting five riding days per year.

The infinite ride machine at C's was pretty fast and bent the board further than I thought.  I also thought IR was infinite bullshit but after seeing it in action, it's legit.  They also have a freezer in there that goes down to -20 to test things in.  My perception of Burton has changed dramatically since seeing things with my own eyes.  

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12/07/2019 12:05 pm  
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Since a snowboard is not just a fancy thing for the sake of costing a lot of money, there is simply no way to justify that price for a deck. Even 1/3 of that price is hard to justify, and should only be purchased on sale. But, their super expensive decks have never been built with actual snowboarders in mind, they are just an option for (as Nose sad about the union MC) doctors and drug dealers.

Obviously they are still based on boards that we know to be great, so of course they will ride really well, but there’s no reason to buy the mystery versions. If you have that much extra money, send it to me instead! Or buy 5+ decks on sale.

I haven't bought any $1700 boards, but I bought my first $1000 board last season. I didn't think that it would be possible to find it on sale, so I paid (almost) retail price on it. For me, the price was justified after demoing the board and coming to the conclusion that: it was a pretty unique board that I couldn't get a less-expensive alternative version of; that I really, really liked riding it; that I could fit the purchase in my budget; and that there weren't two or three other boards that I would rather have than this one board. I am still happy with the choice I made, and would do the same thing again.


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12/07/2019 12:09 pm  
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Since a snowboard is not just a fancy thing for the sake of costing a lot of money, there is simply no way to justify that price for a deck. Even 1/3 of that price is hard to justify, and should only be purchased on sale. But, their super expensive decks have never been built with actual snowboarders in mind, they are just an option for (as Nose sad about the union MC) doctors and drug dealers.

Obviously they are still based on boards that we know to be great, so of course they will ride really well, but there’s no reason to buy the mystery versions. If you have that much extra money, send it to me instead! Or buy 5+ decks on sale.

I haven't bought any $1700 boards, but I bought my first $1000 board last season. I didn't think that it would be possible to find it on sale, so I paid (almost) retail price on it. For me, the price was justified after demoing the board and coming to the conclusion that: it was a pretty unique board that I couldn't get a less-expensive alternative version of; that I really, really liked riding it; that I could fit the purchase in my budget; and that there weren't two or three other boards that I would rather have than this one board. I am still happy with the choice I made, and would do the same thing again.

I've maybe seen you mention it, but what was it? Gentem?


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12/07/2019 1:28 pm  

I think it was a Moss

On that note, I think Matty is an easy example of an exception to what I said. A person who actually goes snowboarding, who is a gear nerd like the rest of us, who understands and appreciates what he has, and is financially able to get a unique board that he wants, which happens to be expensive. I highly doubt that is the case with most people who buy high pricetag decks 😜

 

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12/07/2019 4:19 pm  
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all the kilroys are stiffer next year. biax on top, triax on the bottom

Crap, and thanks for the intel, drjcv! Wonder why did they have to go stiffer this year, don't they have enough other stiffer boards...

they are still plenty soft for park riding with the tri/bi, they didn't make them Custom X stiff. Process is tri/tri, for reference, so the Kilroy's should still be softer than that. same layup that IPP uses on the Honalee, which is what some of the midwest Kilroy kids were coming off of.

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16/07/2019 7:28 am  

anyone look at/snag any of the Mine77 label stuff? Or had any experience with any of the previous stuff they released


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16/07/2019 9:26 am  
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anyone look at/snag any of the Mine77 label stuff? Or had any experience with any of the previous stuff they released

Yeah, I am particularly curious to know how the Strap-On boot compares to the other Step-On boots as far as response and stiffness.

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