The Official Burton thread v2.0
I cant think of a most iconic part in snowboard video history. -at least for the stuff i like to see. Rail people might think otherwise.
On the subject of sidecuts i feel like i can modulate the speed of a short sidecut deck better -without dragging turns- than on a longer sidecut when riding slow. Without any issues when i want to ride faster. Longer sidecut somehow makes me ride faster. If this makes sense. 🤨
If you are truly slicing along the radius built into the board, then technically speaking, it is literally impossible for the board to slice along a larger radius than what’s built in. However, because of the way you flex and twist the board to turn, you can bend it into a tighter radius, hence a quicker turn when you put it more on edge. That’s simply a physical trait of a snowboard. You can’t make the radius bigger, but you can make it smaller. Of course, I am talking about technically perfect carves on perfect groomers to illustrate a point. There is always some relief because of the fact that snow is soft, even when groomers are packed really well. That little bit of “give” allows us to get away with being imperfect 😜
I only feel the way you do if I ride slow, but I don’t. I tend to feel the exact opposite for the most part, because I usually ride fast, especially on groomers.
You said larger sidecuts make you ride faster… and in a related way, I feel like I like larger sidecuts because I ride faster. Tight radius boards almost never feel right for me, I always feel like I have to slow down, and if I don’t, it’s skid city (con artist comes to mind). The opposite of this is what you described about larger radii in a slower turn… Dragging edge because you aren’t bending the board into the radius required to make the turn you are trying to do. And then when you do go faster, it matches the board and starts to feel normal. I think that’s just it. Along with all other aspects of design, a sidecut generally needs to match the energy and speed applied by the rider. That was why I made the joke about Burton sidecuts making sense from that video... very flat, slow riding. Fun! But better with a tight radius. That’s all.
Sorry guys, I fucked up and started sidecut talk again 🤷♂️
Last thing on long radius - I rode my diamond blade on our bunny hill last year, and it felt like a door with straight edges. Then on the actual mountain when it opened, it becomes incredibly easy to ride, because it gets the downhill angle and speed that it wants. You just have to generally match the riding that the board design wants. My style just doesn’t line up with tighter radii. Other people find the exact opposite to be true because of the way they ride. Nobody is wrong about what is better, we just have to understand what is happening and why it works the way it does.
And for a disclaimer because someone always tries to say it, no I am absolutely not saying the radius defines all of these things. But it does play one of the major parts, and it absolutely affects these things & works differently with different rider input. Just matters what fits you.
looking forward to next weeks release of the Mine77 EST version of Step on bindings...going to try them out this season - but a bit worried I won't like the IONs after coming from Driver X boots.
If you're coming from the Driver X on a strap binding, what improvement are you expecting to get from a step-on binding?
I spend 2 weeks every year with a group of skiers in a resort that requires a lot of unstrapping lift to lift, lift to run...bunch of flat spots...main reason is to keep up with them being able to fluidly strap on - off. I am the only boarder in the group. Definitely worried about if I get the performance out of this combo I am used to. Been exclusively on Driver X for more than 10 years - so it's really an experiment...to see if this could be my resort quiver boot
I don't do groomers at all anymore and only do side-country / trees - for which the response shouldn't be as crucial as the gone days where I would bomb everything...back suffers too much after a days on groomers.
The Driver X will still remain my main boot - starting to split this season and probably will get into something stiffer down the road.
Curious to see if the step-on system at all ends up suiting your needs. I don't ride with many skiers these days, but when I do there's an acknowledgment that sometimes (strapping in, flat spots) they might need to wait for us snowboarders, and other times (if they fall in pow, eject, and have to spend time finding their ski) we might need to wait for them.
So far, step-on has had zero temptation for me. I am open to change though.
Anyone else catch this in that JG video that released recently?
Been curious about these "Freedbacks"…
I got a pair and experimented with them quite a bit over two seasons culminating in riding one full season every day with one on my back binding only. On the right board/setup I love it. Interestingly, Dirksen run one on his front binding only. So that should show you how different a preference and experience you can have with them.
6'2 // 160lbs // 10.5-11.5 // Gentemstick Giant Manta // Moss PQ54
Does anyone know how the Tusk bibs and jacket fit preferably in size large and xl. Like Freebird or tighter?
180cm I 87kg-142kg I 270MP
Think I've scored the parts to put together a Burton franken-binder: reflex CO2 baseplate and toe straps, Malavita highbacks, Hammockstrap 1.0 w/ double take parts. Also have some Freedbacks to play around with.
I was originally hoping to get a Cartel baseplate, but the CO2s came along in a trade on Snowboard Trader and I figured better than nothing.