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Wes B.
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05/08/2019 6:25 am  
Posted by: tp1_kenobi

The Hyperdrive NC12 Base is legit.  Took the 2020 Warpspeed out for a demo and I haven't ridden any board with a base like this.  It made this weird/cool "whooshing" noise going over soft snow...

Lots of bragging going on between the Capita reps about it, and rightfully so.

"whooshing" noise? That was more likely due to the base structure than the base material. 

Shop dude put a structure on a couple of my boards that resulted in a very noticeable "whooshing" noise the other year. Had base struture in the past, but nothing that made any noise.

Was annoying af, so I had him grind the bases flat. Tbh, I've never noticed the purported benefit of having a structured base so I don't bother anymore


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05/08/2019 9:49 am  

I had a 2018 Warpspeed, and it came from the factory with an impressive base structure for sure.  I was impressed.

I love a structured base.  Where I really notice the difference is in the rate of acceleration.  A well-structured base gets up to speed really fast, even if your wax isn't on point. 


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05/08/2019 11:16 am  
Posted by: Lonz

I had a 2018 Warpspeed, and it came from the factory with an impressive base structure for sure.  I was impressed.

I love a structured base.  Where I really notice the difference is in the rate of acceleration.  A well-structured base gets up to speed really fast, even if your wax isn't on point. 

I second this.

I structure my board in store before waxing it for the very first time.


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05/08/2019 11:34 am  
Posted by: Lalune
Posted by: Lonz

I had a 2018 Warpspeed, and it came from the factory with an impressive base structure for sure.  I was impressed.

I love a structured base.  Where I really notice the difference is in the rate of acceleration.  A well-structured base gets up to speed really fast, even if your wax isn't on point. 

I second this.

I structure my board in store before waxing it for the very first time.

I don't second or third this... Lots of this depends on where you live and what kinda snow you ride...  A structured base in dry intermountain pow ( Utah ) sucks and will be slower... Structure is great in wet/high moisture snow, not so good in super dry and or super cold snow, especially super dry pow... A well structured base will be fucking slow on bone dry ( moisture content ) Utah groomers when it's only 5˚ outside

A time and place for everything... 


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05/08/2019 4:03 pm  
Posted by: Wes B.
Posted by: tp1_kenobi

The Hyperdrive NC12 Base is legit.  Took the 2020 Warpspeed out for a demo and I haven't ridden any board with a base like this.  It made this weird/cool "whooshing" noise going over soft snow...

Lots of bragging going on between the Capita reps about it, and rightfully so.

"whooshing" noise? That was more likely due to the base structure than the base material. 

Shop dude put a structure on a couple of my boards that resulted in a very noticeable "whooshing" noise the other year. Had base struture in the past, but nothing that made any noise.

Was annoying af, so I had him grind the bases flat. Tbh, I've never noticed the purported benefit of having a structured base so I don't bother anymore

I haven't been on a board that had that done out of the box.  The conditions were soft/wet and it was fast.  Different strokes different folks.


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05/08/2019 7:19 pm  
Posted by: pow_hnd
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Posted by: Lonz

I had a 2018 Warpspeed, and it came from the factory with an impressive base structure for sure.  I was impressed.

I love a structured base.  Where I really notice the difference is in the rate of acceleration.  A well-structured base gets up to speed really fast, even if your wax isn't on point. 

I second this.

I structure my board in store before waxing it for the very first time.

I don't second or third this... Lots of this depends on where you live and what kinda snow you ride...  A structured base in dry intermountain pow ( Utah ) sucks and will be slower... Structure is great in wet/high moisture snow, not so good in super dry and or super cold snow, especially super dry pow... A well structured base will be fucking slow on bone dry ( moisture content ) Utah groomers when it's only 5˚ outside

A time and place for everything... 

Learn something new everyday.


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12/08/2019 9:53 am  

Chiming in here. I had an Arbor Wasteland that had what I think they called a 'structurn' base. Basically it came with these golfball dimples on the whole base that were shaped like Orzo pasta. I rode it a lot in all conditions and never found it to be noticeably different than a flat base. I thought it would be beneficial in warm wet snow but I never found it to be the case at all. If there was any performance improvement it was such a marginal amount that it didn't mean shit to me. In theory it makes sense but I think the speed at which you'd have to be going for it to actually create less drag is just De La Rue speeds... in which, if you're going that fast, does it even matter?

 

Edit: Just looked up the NC12 base and what I wrote might not be applicable at all. Seems more or less a higher density which makes sense for less drag. *I wanna wooshy base*

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12/08/2019 2:35 pm  

Warmer conditions, flatter spots like traverses across the mountain, makes a big difference. Burton and Yes bases, for instance, super smooth without structure = super fast when it's cold but on my PYL I was always seriously lagging toward end of the day bits through flats. Everyone was going past me where as in with my daily driver last season, niche aether with a solid structure, I did not even need to wax it for 2 weeks and it just rolled through everything in any conditions. 


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12/08/2019 3:11 pm  

I have not noticed base structure to make much of a difference for speed - even in wet PNW Spring conditions. I have personally found warm weather waxes or overlays like Zardoz to be much more effective.


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12/08/2019 7:17 pm  

Up here, where it can be anywhere from -20C to +15C over the course of the winter (or the course of a week sometimes) i would say the structured Capitas properly waxed and maintained are noticeably better (in terms of glad through the flats and not bogging down as much) in what i would call wet snow for us, but not discern-ably different in any other conditions

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13/08/2019 8:19 am  
Posted by: Elektropow

Warmer conditions, flatter spots like traverses across the mountain, makes a big difference. Burton and Yes bases, for instance, super smooth without structure = super fast when it's cold but on my PYL I was always seriously lagging toward end of the day bits through flats. Everyone was going past me where as in with my daily driver last season, niche aether with a solid structure, I did not even need to wax it for 2 weeks and it just rolled through everything in any conditions. 

I have noticed my Yes boards have a nice fast glide even when going slow. I ride mainly really cold conditions so that aligns with what you're saying. Though, in my mind I attributed more to the other boards being slower than the Yes being faster. 

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13/08/2019 8:50 am  

There is another factor here people haven't even discussed. How flat really is your base? I can tell you there are plenty of boards that have high/low spots from the factory. if you have a true bar, or a metal carpenters square you can lay one of those across your base to see what it looks like. If it's edge high ( has low spots )  anywhere on the base, that deck is gonna be slow on cat tracks or low angle spots where you are riding flat based... It's been a minute since I was in the industry, so things could have changed, but when I was last in the industry I'd say about 30-40% of decks were pretty fucking far from being true ( evenly flat base ) off the shelf. So if you've got one of those decks, wax and structure will only go so far... That's when a stone grinder can help get your deck base true... But you could lose a bunch of edge ( and base ) getting it there... 

This is the reason person a can say my XYZ board from company A is super slow, and another person will say that their XYZ board from the same company A is super fast... Variations in base flatness, on the same deck from the same year... A snowboard base is quite a bit of surface area to have come out perfectly flat every time one is made, and better yet to line up with the edges the same every time. All sorts of factors, like cores that were milled on different runs, by different operators, humidity, who laid the edges, etc, etc. etc, come into play... 

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13/08/2019 11:03 am  

In a way i am "convinced" (note the quotes) that flatness of a snowboard base isn't as much of a problem as it is on skis. A snowboard is wide and most (like 99%) of the time you apply some pressure on one of the edges using just a part of it. And it also flexes laterally. Also the bindings pull it up and make it concave. I don't think i've ever laid something flat on a snowboard base and was flat. But all these kind of disappear once you ride and apply weight to the board.

An edge high board (edge high = there is a step between base and edge) will be grabby/drag when you ride and slower but that affects only well used boards.

 


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13/08/2019 11:41 am  
Posted by: pow_hnd

There is another factor here people haven't even discussed. How flat really is your base? I can tell you there are plenty of boards that have high/low spots from the factory. if you have a true bar, or a metal carpenters square you can lay one of those across your base to see what it looks like. If it's edge high ( has low spots )  anywhere on the base, that deck is gonna be slow on cat tracks or low angle spots where you are riding flat based... It's been a minute since I was in the industry, so things could have changed, but when I was last in the industry I'd say about 30-40% of decks were pretty fucking far from being true ( evenly flat base ) off the shelf. So if you've got one of those decks, wax and structure will only go so far... That's when a stone grinder can help get your deck base true... But you could lose a bunch of edge ( and base ) getting it there... 

This is the reason person a can say my XYZ board from company A is super slow, and another person will say that their XYZ board from the same company A is super fast... Variations in base flatness, on the same deck from the same year... A snowboard base is quite a bit of surface area to have come out perfectly flat every time one is made, and better yet to line up with the edges the same every time. All sorts of factors, like cores that were milled on different runs, by different operators, humidity, who laid the edges, etc, etc. etc, come into play... 

Absolutely. I work in a rentals/repairs shop and I now base grind every new board I get for this reason, and to put in a little structure. My Archetype, Supernatant and Squash I could see the structure covering the entire base area after 2 passes, my Free Thinker I've ground on a few separate occasions, at least 20 total passes, and it still has one section about 10 inches long and 1 inch wide that is factory smooth with no discernible structure at all. Now I don't actually notice any difference riding the Free Thinker, but it's visually very obvious. 


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17/08/2019 6:56 am  

I'm thinking about getting an Asymulator, anyone care to talk me off the ledge?


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