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16/11/2018 12:05 pm  

@Elektropow

Why contradictions?

The 2018 Aviator was rated 7/10, just like the Mountain Twin. TGR even rates the 2019 (rated 8/10, with carbon) very close to the MT, flex-wise.

Again:
I won't spend much time in the park.. I'm going to ride piste 90% of the time, and do pow for maybe 10%. The Park will be in the <1%. (I can always hop on my CK NUG to hit the park in LAAX)

 

Re powder: Well, you begin with 2cm setback vs a twin stance on the MT. While the MT seems to be nearly equally stiff (as the 2018 Aviator), the rocker begins slightly earlier, but there is no spoon in the nose.
I'd wager that the 2cm setback alone makes up for the earlier rocker in the MT, but the spooned nose definitely helps a little too.

Lastly, If I bring the board up to the hill expecting more than just a little powder, I'll prolly set it back an inch further.

 

From a review of the 2019 version: "It carves quite well, but not up there with the likes of the UMT. Though it was certainly more forgiving for skidded turns than the UMT and easier to maneuver at slower speeds.

For an aggressive board, and one that I was expecting to be more catchy, it’s quite forgiving and not that easy to catch an edge on.

Was a little easier to navigate in tight trees as it felt a little more agile than the UMT at slower speeds. At high speed, felt similar to UMT in terms of edge-to-edge quickness. Overall, quite quick edge-to-edge without being lightning fast"

 

Lastly:

Don't worry, my legs are strong enough.. I press 200 kg (10x) when I work out and use that same weight for my calves too.


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16/11/2018 3:07 pm  

I think it would be good for you to get the Aviator and to report back and tell us how great it is.

(It's super stiff btw)


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16/11/2018 3:11 pm  

wow didn't realize the aviator was so stiff. im def not interested in it now. i'll settle for the neck gaiter with that graphic 

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16/11/2018 5:47 pm  
Posted by: Mischa

My gf is getting a dream catcher (she didn't like the twin sister, although she preferred the graphics a lot! The TS was too aggressive for her taste, not playful enough. The DC had her smiling already after the first few turns)

Now, I started to ponder over whether I should get an Aviator for myself..

I have a Burton CK Nug for all mtn purposes but feel like I won't really be able to join my gf in the pow with that. (I mean, I tried pow, but it only works in the steeper stuff..)

The Aviator checks many of my boxes:

hard charging and stable at speed

spoon in nose and tail for a more forgiving ride when going at lower speeds

sick graphics

 

I'm drawn between the Explorer and the Aviator and really regret not testing the two when I went up to the glacier with my gf (where she tested various boards all day)...

Main purpose would be charging on groomers with the occasional visit to the pow, maybe some switch riding. I would like to get into carving a little, but not those sick euro carves and still be able to do some 180s and 360s over side hits.

 

I don't want a Flagship, the board must also be fun going slower.. I definitely don't need the Mind Expander and have both a Fish and a Fishcuit, so don't need the Hovercraft either. Main focus is groomers and  maybe a little park but nothing too big.

 

Would you invest the extra cash for the Aviator?

I would gladly take a 2018 version (looooove the blue!) but the only one that I could find for sale costs only slightly less than the 2019 version, which I find offending!

- I have owned many jones over the years- 

- Year 1 flagship --stupid stiff -- a heavy plank that was somehow not damp

- year 2 mountain twin - soft- slow, very little camber--  weak.  

- a hovercraft from a few years ago -- as advertised.   A freeride board that masquerades as a pow deck--- classic jones deck - amazing.

- Ultra mountain twin 2/3 years ago - unremarkable but solid.. A big step up in performance from the early mountain twin I had--- solid all mountain deck...Would not ride it in park

-  Mind expander ly -- fun board , I liked it for a little while till I rode in bulletproof conditions backside of vail.. It was a little iffy at speed, but you're not buying it for that...Great board.

-  all of the above are gone...for various gear whoring reasons.

The only Jones deck I have is the aviator from 2 years ago --160.  -- it's the 2017 model and supposedly for 2019 the board has more torsional flex .

Its a directional twin but it's the closest thing in performance/ride to my old B t6.... Its very light, stiff, and VERY  fast.   They nailed this board.   

It's precise when carving and has no speed limit.  I rode it last year at copper with a bunch of CO friends and don't think I ever got passed.  You can just rail it.

Jones description of "freestyle" is pretty questionable beyond jumps/sidehits.--- Its heavy camber with slight and I mean slight rocker past the contact points.  The spoon tech is not that evident but you can feel it roll easily into turns.   The board is also super responsive as you can see the carbon array thru the topsheet.  Mtx is the mild mtx so it's almost invisible to the eye.  The edgehold is above average.

And it's stiff - I learned on a palmer many years ago so I"m used to stiff camber aggressive decks + I'm 6'1 185 and super fit ---It's one of the stiffer decks Ive been on -- I like that.

Best I can describe it is the ferrari of the jones line - fast, light precise. Its a groomer killer.

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16/11/2018 5:53 pm  
Posted by: Mischa

@Elektropow

Why contradictions?

The 2018 Aviator was rated 7/10, just like the Mountain Twin. TGR even rates the 2019 (rated 8/10, with carbon) very close to the MT, flex-wise.

Again:
I won't spend much time in the park.. I'm going to ride piste 90% of the time, and do pow for maybe 10%. The Park will be in the <1%. (I can always hop on my CK NUG to hit the park in LAAX)

 

Re powder: Well, you begin with 2cm setback vs a twin stance on the MT. While the MT seems to be nearly equally stiff (as the 2018 Aviator), the rocker begins slightly earlier, but there is no spoon in the nose.
I'd wager that the 2cm setback alone makes up for the earlier rocker in the MT, but the spooned nose definitely helps a little too.

Lastly, If I bring the board up to the hill expecting more than just a little powder, I'll prolly set it back an inch further.

 

From a review of the 2019 version: "It carves quite well, but not up there with the likes of the UMT. Though it was certainly more forgiving for skidded turns than the UMT and easier to maneuver at slower speeds.

For an aggressive board, and one that I was expecting to be more catchy, it’s quite forgiving and not that easy to catch an edge on.

Was a little easier to navigate in tight trees as it felt a little more agile than the UMT at slower speeds. At high speed, felt similar to UMT in terms of edge-to-edge quickness. Overall, quite quick edge-to-edge without being lightning fast"

 

Lastly:

Don't worry, my legs are strong enough.. I press 200 kg (10x) when I work out and use that same weight for my calves too.

TGR is completely wrong as I've owned the UMT, MT and aviator.

From high to low:

Park - MT, UMT, Aviator

stiffness- Aviator- UMT - MT

edgehold - Aviator/UMT - tie, MT

dampness - UMT, aviator, MT

Speed - Aviator, UMT, MT

aggressiveness = meaning you're bombing/attacking all features - aviator, UMT, MT

Powder - No idea , I have other decks for that ...

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16/11/2018 8:00 pm  

I agree with BFBF


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17/11/2018 1:13 am  
Posted by: Mischa

@Mr. Lomax

Normally, I would agree. However, the Mountain Twin doesn't really impress me at all. It has these early rockers and no spoon bevels. I have never hard or read of anyone who thought the MT was a good board to go fast and carve...

Also, I don't need to ride switch, I'd just want to practice a little while my gf builds up confidence with going faster.

While you can set back on the MT, it's still mostly a twin, whereas the Aviator only has a Twin shape but much more of a directional flex pattern.

 

Nah, I think the Aviator OR the Explorer are much closer to what I need. I'm just not sure if the Explorer is "enough" for my demands.

I've been riding for 20+ years and started out on boards like the F2 eliminator. The past 10 years, I spent most of the time on pretty soft "playful" boards (e.g. a GNU Dirty Pillow BTX shape, the Burton CK NUG, a Rossignol the MINI) but really loved how my Burton Fish (2012, S-Rocker) felt when charging hard.

So, I definitely want something that I can really go fast with and carve in the morning, hit some sidehits and do some pow runs on the side (for days, when Pow is not the main objective, since then I'd hand my gf the Fishcuit and take the Fish for myself)

 

When I say: "take it to the park", I'm referring to the children's park. Nothing exciting. The highest and widest I ever jumped was maybe over a distance of 15 feet (4-5 feet high at the most) with some simple grabs at that. When I try my luck with spins, I usually jump maybe 5-6 feet not further.

You're mistaken about several things.

- Aviator and Mountain Twin are about the same level of directional. In particular, MT is a directional board, not mostly a twin.

- If you think the MT is not 'enough' for carving and speed, why are you considering the Explorer, which is Jones's more entry-level deck that is much more mellow, slower in nature, and less carvy than the MT?

MT is the deck you want based on your description (incidentally it is much better in pow than the Aviator). It is not quite as much board and as specialized as the Aviator but has much more to offer than the Explorer.

Aviator is like an on-groomer Flagship (or like a Custom X). Great board, but stiff and totally camber dominant (you can pretty much ignore the spoon), so built for speed and a bear when going slow.

Posted by: Elektropow

A lot of contradictions in what you're looking for in a board. The aviator is stupid stiff for kids park and going slow following your progressing gf, bevel or not. You say you'd like to get into carving; well have fun riding a board that requires proper turning and leg strength all the time. Just sounds stupid, but maybe I just don't understand how you really ride. 

Also stupid stiff camber boards are shit in pow no matter how directional. The mt twin works great since you're able to manipulate that much more and easier to lean back plus that rocker. I also think it and especially the ultra mt twin carve super well at fast speeds. They're much stiffer than your usual all mtn boards.

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@Elektropow

Why contradictions?

The 2018 Aviator was rated 7/10, just like the Mountain Twin. TGR even rates the 2019 (rated 8/10, with carbon) very close to the MT, flex-wise.

Again:
I won't spend much time in the park.. I'm going to ride piste 90% of the time, and do pow for maybe 10%. The Park will be in the <1%. (I can always hop on my CK NUG to hit the park in LAAX)

 

Re powder: Well, you begin with 2cm setback vs a twin stance on the MT. While the MT seems to be nearly equally stiff (as the 2018 Aviator), the rocker begins slightly earlier, but there is no spoon in the nose.
I'd wager that the 2cm setback alone makes up for the earlier rocker in the MT, but the spooned nose definitely helps a little too.

Lastly, If I bring the board up to the hill expecting more than just a little powder, I'll prolly set it back an inch further.

 

From a review of the 2019 version: "It carves quite well, but not up there with the likes of the UMT. Though it was certainly more forgiving for skidded turns than the UMT and easier to maneuver at slower speeds.

For an aggressive board, and one that I was expecting to be more catchy, it’s quite forgiving and not that easy to catch an edge on.

Was a little easier to navigate in tight trees as it felt a little more agile than the UMT at slower speeds. At high speed, felt similar to UMT in terms of edge-to-edge quickness. Overall, quite quick edge-to-edge without being lightning fast"

 

Lastly:

Don't worry, my legs are strong enough.. I press 200 kg (10x) when I work out and use that same weight for my calves too.

You still don't get it. Listen to Elektropow (and BFBF), their advise is pretty spot on.

And you're still dead wrong/misinformed about the board specs:

- Aviator is way stiffer than the MT.

- MT is not centered, it has the same 2cm setback as the Aviator.

 

And that review (from Snowboarding Profiles

Jones Aviator Review: Aggressive All-Mountain Snowboard Review

is a steaming pile of shit.


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17/11/2018 4:41 am  

did I just read someone actually referencing TGR on ezloungin

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17/11/2018 4:57 am  

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Yeah.. The guy, after all, compared it to his own Ultra Mountain Twin.. They might be overly positive about everything they test and not ride like uber pros, but at least they get to ride a ton of boards and compare them..

I guess, I'll have to find out for myself whether I can handle the allegedly super stiff Aviator or not. 

I really don't see why Jones should rate it the same as the MT if it wasn't . . After all, they built it. .. 

 

 

Besides, I found quite a few personal reviews that rated the Aviator fine for going slower, more forgiving than the UMT, and medium in flex.. 


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17/11/2018 5:38 am  
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did I just read someone actually referencing TGR on ezloungin

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17/11/2018 5:39 am  

yeah, that’s the exact reason review sites suck. some less than average dude rides 30 boards one run in a day in shit conditions. then makes a 3 minute video about it which is probably longer than the time he actually spent on the board.

the guys on EZ will give you feedback one gazillion snowflakes better than TGR

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yeah, that’s the exact reason review sites suck. some less than average dude rides 30 boards one run in a day in shit conditions. then makes a 3 minute video about it which is probably longer than the time he actually spent on the board.

the guys on EZ will give you feedback one gazillion snowflakes better than TGR

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17/11/2018 6:03 am  
Posted by: Mischa

@nmb

Yeah.. The guy, after all, compared it to his own Ultra Mountain Twin.. They might be overly positive about everything they test and not ride like uber pros, but at least they get to ride a ton of boards and compare them..

I guess, I'll have to find out for myself whether I can handle the allegedly super stiff Aviator or not. 

I really don't see why Jones should rate it the same as the MT if it wasn't . . After all, they built it. .. 

 

 

Besides, I found quite a few personal reviews that rated the Aviator fine for going slower, more forgiving than the UMT, and medium in flex.. 

Aviator is stiff in a good way.  It’s not that hard to ride      And it’s fine for all’s speeds.  It’s so light you can throw if around .  Got off track at copper last year ended up in some moguls and tore thru them.  Just grab it and report back

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17/11/2018 6:07 am  

So, @BFBF 

Would you say you can use the Aviator at normal speeds, e.g. 20mph!? (because, many complained about the Flagship being unusable going at normal speeds)

 

Edit: didn't see your answer when I was typing my question. 

That's what my impression was from all the reviews I had read. Super fast but still good at lower speeds and "forgiving" ("easy" to ride), so just what I want. 

 

As I said, one of my first boards was an F2 Eliminator 162 (around 2000, with the fiery dragon graphics in orange on black). I cannot imagine the Aviator being even close to that re stiffness.

 

 

Ps: i really appreciate the knowledge and help you get here on EZ, but you usually get 20 different opinions when you ask 20 people.

 

 

I ordered the 2018 158w version that was still available at the store (the 257mm waist isn't really wide at all, and will help prevent toe bites.. For 490usd (incl. Vat and shipping and everything), I think that's an ok price.

 

Now, I have to find me a suitable set of binders to put on there.. 

My favourite currently is the Union Strata. Maybe also a Force, but Atlas and Ultra are too much for my taste.. 

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17/11/2018 6:40 am  
Posted by: Mischa

So, @BFBF 

Would you say you can use the Aviator at normal speeds, e.g. 20mph!? (because, many complained about the Flahship being unusable going at normal speeds)

 

As I said, one of my first boards was an F2 Eliminator 162 (around 2000, with the fiery dragon graphics in orange on black). I cannot imagine the Aviator being even close to that re stiffness.

Also, back then, I was a good 20 pouns lighter, didn't work out and only rode sporadically.

 

 

Ps: i really appreciate the knowledge and help you get here on EZ, but you usually get 20 different opinions when you ask 20 people. 

Yah no problem- You'll be fine, especially if you've been riding forever and came from camber.

  It's "stiff" as in stiffer than most of the decks these days but not near as aggressive as the early 2000's plank I learned on =Palmer which were basically race boards.

 

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