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15/03/2019 2:19 pm  

anyone used those spark crossbar clips out in the field yet? My upper karakoram clip isn't clamping as tight as it used to so I'm between the new sparks or the karakoram ultras


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15/03/2019 2:33 pm  

Are yours not adjustable?


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15/03/2019 9:29 pm  
Posted by: psklt

anyone used those spark crossbar clips out in the field yet? My upper karakoram clip isn't clamping as tight as it used to so I'm between the new sparks or the karakoram ultras

I am also looking to upgrade the clips on my split (pre-Ultraclip Jones Solution). The clamping on my board clips is still fine but there seem to be some nice improvements with the newer Karakoram and Spark products. And the nose and tail clips need replacing anyway (starting to wear and getting misaligned), so might as well do it all at once.

Pretty sure I will go with the Spark Crossbars but still undecided on the new Spark Tip/Tail clips vs. the Karakoram cam clips. Has anybody compared those?


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15/03/2019 10:03 pm  

If using pucks (so not Karakoram) spark pucks make a difference too. Those + properly adjusted clips = SOLID


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16/03/2019 12:43 pm  

Got ‘er. Stoked!

The Spark clips seem rad!

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16/03/2019 3:50 pm  

I have last year's Spark hooks and really like them: no hulling, tight fit, solid feel. Also used the old Karakorams before them. FWIW, some experienced folks on splitboard.com say they prefer the plain old Voile ones. I just tried them for the first time, they came stock on my Venture, and can't find fault with them. May still replace / upgrade but don't feel I have to do it.


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16/03/2019 5:12 pm  

If voiles are set properly, the connection is actually quite tight once you put binders on. I still like the actual latching of other clips, but I’m sure part of it is only mental.


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17/03/2019 3:21 pm  

Just set up le squash.

The touring brackets are placed oddly close to the front inserts.. I generally ride 22” at +27/+6, and almost couldn’t set the front foot, hah. I think I am literally as close as I could possibly be to not being able to slide the front binding on. Couldn’t have gotten 27 degrees on the 22” mark with voile pucks, but sparks worked fine. I had been running a canted voile puck only on the front foot, so I guess I don’t get to do that anymore.

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17/03/2019 4:20 pm  

Adjusted the spark clips. They’re clearly sensitive to being tight - where other brands’ bolts are just fastening the clips to the board, these also set the tension with which the moving parts are held, and allowed to fit together & move freely. I feel like when the parts are able to fit/move as intended, the bolts aren’t tight enough. Then, if I snug the bolts down a bit more (not cranking at all), the clips literally don’t work because the hardware is clamping them down.

It’s allen hardware and seems to strip pretty easily, soooo without even cranking anything, half the bolts are already almost useless. Luckily I can at least loosen them. They’re metric & the correct size allen wasn’t very snug in the first place, and the closest standard size is too big.

I’m going to get top-mount hardware so I can use my Karakoram ultra clips instead. These sparks seem to work alright, but I’m already over them. Doesn’t seem to do much for v-ing, but it does pull the halves together quite well. Also looks like they are causing the tail to slightly V, even with bindings on 🤔

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17/03/2019 5:27 pm  

yeah I have the standard karakoram clips and they're adjusted to a nice snug snap closed, they're just a little beat up so the cam/clamp is bent and is starting to get floppy. 

the sparks seem okay, but they do seem like they could be a little difficult for a number of reasons.. I've used the voile clips on a venture and i have a set sitting around somewhere and also really had no problem with them. The karakorams have been pretty good to me though so I could always just get another set of them, or the ultra for one less loose moving piece.

looking at that squash those touring inserts are super close to the front inserts! i'm surprised you're able to slide a binding on


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17/03/2019 5:27 pm  

yeah I have the standard karakoram clips and they're adjusted to a nice snug snap closed, they're just a little beat up so the cam/clamp is bent and is starting to get floppy. 

the sparks seem okay, but they do seem like they could be a little difficult for a number of reasons.. I've used the voile clips on a venture and i have a set sitting around somewhere and also really had no problem with them. The karakorams have been pretty good to me though so I could always just get another set of them, or the ultra for one less loose moving piece.

looking at that squash those touring inserts are super close to the front inserts! i'm surprised you're able to slide a binding on


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17/03/2019 5:34 pm  

Both split & solid seem to have inserts that would be more ideal for people who ride wider stances. On the solid 159, even at 22”, the only way I can get my stance to be any narrower is one hole adjustment on one of the binding disks. So basically, the narrowest stance option on that board is about 21.75”. There are definitely plenty of people who ride a little bit less, and I don’t think there are many people riding over 25” these days, so it seems weird. Luckily I find the factory setback to be perfect, but I wouldn’t have any options whatsoever if I felt like offsetting it.

If I were trying to set the split at 20” and I was running into issues, I wouldn’t be surprised, as it is a 163 and most people who would ride that size are going to have at least a slightly wider stance. That said, 22” is pretty normal, so it seems a little strange. 27° on the front foot doesn’t help, and although it’s not super common, it’s not very crazy either. Luckily I was still able to get the exact stance I prefer, but like I said, I have absolutely no wiggle room on the front binding unless I go wider.

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17/03/2019 7:10 pm  

interesting, I didn't have these stripping issues with the Sparks - but I used the multi-tool that comes with the bindings. I wasn't getting any V / hulling, and they overlap a lot so creating a very solid-feeling connection. I do agree if I tried to make them tight, things would not work.

Also need to check the new Ultras - I think I understand how they can be an improvement over my old Karakoram ones.

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17/03/2019 7:20 pm  

I was going to say, others may have a different experience, but these in particular don’t really seem like they are doing much for V-ing, as compared to any other clip I have used. The classic voile hooks may not pull the halves together, but they seem to keep them more solid. My experience with the standard Karakoram clips is that they do pretty well at both.

I probably made the sparks seem worse than they are… they are fine, but I was left with a different impression after I tinkered with them.

If I have them closed, and then I tighten all the bolts, they definitely keep each half of the board more solid… But then, like I said, they don’t work anymore once those bolts are snugged down. I can open the lever, but then the bolts themselves are keeping the parts attached, so I can’t slide the board apart. And vice versa, if they are tight and the board is apart, I can’t slide it together.

I really dig spark and everything they do, and usually when they come out with something that they didn’t have before, I find it to be an improvement… like their pucks, they make voiles obsolete in my opinion. Not sure about the clips yet. They are different, but I’m not sure where the improvement is supposed to be, and it seems like they have more individual parts than necessary.


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18/03/2019 10:12 pm  

So, I realized I could use the bolts from the original nitro hooks for the ultra clips. Unfortunately, two of the allen bolts for the spark clips were fairly stripped, and I can only get one out. The other is pretty much round. This split is going great so far.

Once I get it out, everything will be good again, but I admit these spark clips have left a bad taste in my mouth. I’m not allowing that to form an actual opinion that I will carry forward, but it was probably the only actual frustrating experience I have had with a splitboard since I got into it in 2012.

edit: nope, can’t use the nitro bolts either. They stick down below the clips far enough, but because of the inserts in the board, the threads don’t catch it until probably 3-4 threads deep. Man, what a first-world-problem shit show. So now, I have a partial nose clip that is stuck on the board because of a stripped bolt, and I can’t put different clips on anyway until I order new bolts from Karakoram, and of course their Alaska shipping is bullshit, even for somethig that can literally go in a stamped envelope.

All that said, I’m STOKED to have this as a split. These are all things that can be worked out, it’s just kind of annoying right now.

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