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15/11/2019 7:12 am  
Posted by: @mik3

Hey - looking for recommendations for a split board -  this will be my first setup.  I have boarding for a couple of decades, 6"0 / 200lbs - only do powder - don't jump / park …my daily driver has been a  148 Burton Fishcuit for the past 5 seasons ( haven't found anything yet to replace it with ) - I love the short fat clown boards... I tend to do a lot of trees - but that might change once I start splitting...

I am currently thinking of getting a Rossignol Sushi - but am also wondering if a longer carbon board might be a better choice for the uphill?  Planning on doing a bunch of splitting on our local mountain here in Las Vegas and will have to probably have to cut a lot of track myself.

I started splitting last year and am all in now.    I also like unique boards (have 2 Gentems).  Based on advice here I got a Jones Solution split, which is opposite of unique but it really does all things pretty well.  I toured a bunch last year in all conditions, from incredible pow days in the Cottonwoods to bullet proof ice in Vail in the morning turning to corn in the afternoon.  The board does not  feel like a fish in pow and you have to work a bit to keep the nose up, but the trade-off for great stability and edge control on steeps and confidence on the way up is worth it.   Paired it with Spark Surge bindings, Spark pucks and Jones Nomad Pro skins (made by Pomoca).    I really liked the kit.  It is a good do everything board.  I definitely agree with Spenser that you want something with camber.  Shit got sketchy as hell going up on ice in the morning and side-hilling on really firm snow with the wind whipping and a long way down.   The camber gives you some confidence.

I'm 6'2'' 185, size 11 boot and got the 162W and it felt perfect size-wise.

Just picked up the Burton x Backcountry split and interested to see how I feel on that when the conditions aren't ideal.

 

Stoked for you and enjoy.

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15/11/2019 11:18 am  
Posted by: @spenser

PS - also based on your quiver, PLEASE see if you can find a Fullbag blunt diamond 56, at least to try. I guarantee it is 100% right in your zone. I’ve said before that it would make a great pow split, too.

@Mig , you know where that demo blunt diamond is these days?

The one you rode has been retired. I will try an get another one on the road this season, and maybe a Supernaut too.


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15/11/2019 10:09 pm  
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Thanks a lot for the great info! Perfect input! From the reviews I read the sushi sounded like the playful skateboards I tend to prefer for the downhill - but I am definitely questioning if such a board is realistic to begin skinning with. I am sure I will eventually have a quiver of splits - but is a sushi the right start?

The fishcuit has been my preferred board for most of my riding, mainly for where I board  most of the time - a lot of moderate pitch Idaho side-country / local Las Vegas mountain / Utah usually going into tighter and tighter trees in order to find the soft. When there is absolutely nothing fresh is left  - I will do moguls. Can't do high speed groomers anymore nor all the fun resort park stuff.  It seems that I can find fun with the fishcuit in pretty much any condition vs the longer boards I prefer only when its really a big perfect day. I used to be the opposite way...

From the reviews I read the sushi sounds like the playful skateboard surfer I tend to prefer for the downhill - it currently also is the cheapest split I can find . another consideration with the often thin cover in Vegas...
I was thinking that maybe the sushi could even become my fishcuit replacement -it's on it's last season before it needs to get retired.

Would you guys ever use a split also a daily driver in resort / side-country setting if you don't plan on  any uphill skinning? If you just want to have the option to extract yourself easier out of the wrong gully you took? Happens a lot to me -  often can't help my curiosity ... so the idea of being able to skin out of the wrong line also  has a lot appeal to me after too many late night returns.
Based on the feedback am starting to think that a bigger style Fish split will be the better choice, since the splitting will  also open up  a lot better terrain for me. A couple of times I was considering cutting up my 160 diamond tail fish - but then never had to balls to potentially ruining my baby...
The uphill is the biggest unknown to me and one of the main reasons I started questioning the 140 sushi - from what I read is not that great uphill. Both because of the wider stance required skinning them  - and side hold at greater pitches and ice. From the sound of it from both your and CIS's feedback,  uphill is more important than I thought. So in fresh powder it doesn't make a big difference - but especially on the icy it's important having a more uphill friendly shape?!
 
PS - and that Fullbag Blunt Diamond looks amazing  -especially considering that  I prefer diamond tail over swallow - shape looks perfect  for me - watching the videos - truly looks like 100% my zone! You got me hooked - I want to try one - that could be my fishcuit replacement!
 
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Thanks so much for your input! I saw your post on the Burton X Backcountry split - that boards looks awesome! Can wait to read your feedback on how it rides! I wonder if it will be closer to the Jones Hoverboard or a Fish. Another board I was considering at first was a Burton Flight Attendant X - which I think might be closer to your Jones Solution. I like the idea of something super light uphill, but I fear I am a little too rough on a super expensive carbon board.
"Shit got sketchy as hell going up on ice in the morning and side-hilling on really firm snow with the wind whipping and a long way down.   The camber gives you some confidence."
Yeah - that really made me think a lot more about the uphill - again thanks so much for your input. 
In respect to bindings -  I think I want  to go the Sparc route as well. At the moment I am tempted on getting a set of Hitchhiker X which are currently on sale  - So essentially also the Sparc bindings with the sparc pucks. For boots - my Driver X will have to last another season - then  I will probably go with a more dedicated boot like a Jones MTB. I tried on a Burton Tourist in a shop but was totally surprised how soft they felt compared to my previous gen drivers - don't think I want to go anything softer than a Driver X. BTW - for extreme pitches - people still end up hiking or splitting with crap ons?

Totally stoked too - can't wait to finally do splits as well!
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16/11/2019 7:10 pm  

I'd carry snowshoes for gulley extraction rather than riding a splitboard. Gulley walls can be steep and it's easier to just go straight up them.


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16/11/2019 9:11 pm  
Posted by: @supra

I'd carry snowshoes for gulley extraction rather than riding a splitboard. Gulley walls can be steep and it's easier to just go straight up them.

or Verts. Smaller, lighter, quicker on 'n off.


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16/11/2019 10:13 pm  
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Posted by: @supra

I'd carry snowshoes for gulley extraction rather than riding a splitboard. Gulley walls can be steep and it's easier to just go straight up them.

or Verts. Smaller, lighter, quicker on 'n off.

+1 verts, worlds better than snowshoes 


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17/11/2019 12:15 am  
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Posted by: @supra

I'd carry snowshoes for gulley extraction rather than riding a splitboard. Gulley walls can be steep and it's easier to just go straight up them.

or Verts. Smaller, lighter, quicker on 'n off.

Wow - first time I see these! Ordering a pair - they will actually fit into my vest - thanks!

Saw that there is a version for Sparc bindings - does look like you could convert them to be boot compatible. I think I will go with regular - but the Sparc ones should be great for climbing extreme steeps!


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17/11/2019 4:47 pm  

While I'm all about a quiver of splits, I'd probably recommend to get something a bit more "generic" as the first split.  Conditions can vary and you don't want to be in a shit situation with a board that's too specific until you get the hang of it.

 


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17/11/2019 6:19 pm  
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Posted by: @supra

I'd carry snowshoes for gulley extraction rather than riding a splitboard. Gulley walls can be steep and it's easier to just go straight up them.

or Verts. Smaller, lighter, quicker on 'n off.

Wow - first time I see these! Ordering a pair - they will actually fit into my vest - thanks!

Saw that there is a version for Sparc bindings - does look like you could convert them to be boot compatible. I think I will go with regular - but the Sparc ones should be great for climbing extreme steeps!

I have the Sparks version, no need for the regular. Just put the high back into negative lean and run the straps looser than ride tension and they are gold, on either gentle slopes or going straight up. The binding interface makes them work so much better than the strap version. I had that back in the day and won’t go back.  They’re home grown right here in SLC. 


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17/11/2019 11:01 pm  
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Posted by: @supra

I'd carry snowshoes for gulley extraction rather than riding a splitboard. Gulley walls can be steep and it's easier to just go straight up them.

or Verts. Smaller, lighter, quicker on 'n off.

Ah yes! Definitely Verts over snowshoes.


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18/11/2019 7:56 am  
Posted by: @tp1kenobi

While I'm all about a quiver of splits, I'd probably recommend to get something a bit more "generic" as the first split.  Conditions can vary and you don't want to be in a shit situation with a board that's too specific until you get the hang of it.

 

100% this. You won't be riding around as much as you would on resort getting the feel for a board and fucking around on it. I pay way less attention to my boots not fitting right or little shit like that in the backcountry, with the primary focus on getting to the top of my line safely, riding said line safely, and making it back to the trailhead without making a wrong turn or having to unstrap as little as possible.

A camber dominant powder oriented split is your ticket until you get used to everything, then maybe start branching out with fun shapes that you understand are only for certain days/areas


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18/11/2019 8:12 am  

Yes. Agreed. This is why i would probably settle for a solution or brd when the time comes for me to join the stride side.


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18/11/2019 10:50 am  

@mik3 - to address your question about riding a splitboard in-bounds or for lift-accessed backcountry ("sidecountry"): yes, we do that sometimes. For us, it's more about being able to switch into tour mode and go further outside the boundary gates before dropping in rather than about getting out at the bottom of the run. Riding my split on in-bounds groomers is okay, but not awesome. It's flex isn't awesome for groomers. Also, the touring hardware in the middle of the board makes one-footing a little awkward.


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18/11/2019 11:17 pm  

+1 on Verts (but only tried the strap version).

Also + 1 on riding a split in resorts. Both soft and hard boot setups. There is *some* difference but then there is a difference between every regular board / binding / boot combo, too - so whatever. You have to try to see if it works for you. 


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07/12/2019 1:47 am  

Some thoughts I posted in the nitro thread, in case anyone is considering a squash split. Great board, super happy I made the switch

Did a couple laps on it today. Surprise, the 63 split rides like a very slightly larger 59 solid 😜 need to tweak my front binding a little more forward, but felt awesome to be back on my favorite board in good snow.

One thing I will say about the split aspect itself, G3 skins do not fit well with their tip and tail clips on the squash shape - it places the side hooks directly into the nose hook rivets, not allowing you to align your skins very well. Would be best to have the bar-style nose attachment, and maybe a more straight attachment for the tail like for skis. I bet straight-up ski skins would actually work well on this shape. The size small skins from my hovercraft 56 are also too short, but I can extend the metal clip all the way to the very end of the rubber tail to get it to work, though it  came off a couple times today. No big deal, not too picky about that stuff, but I do plan to get new skins at some point.

I feel like I missed the canted voile puck on the front foot… Running sparks on both feet because the touring bracket is a little too close to the front inserts, so the binding hits at a certain point, preventing it from being able to slide on… I guess that’s the one bummer about this board, though not a big deal, and it’s just my particular stance. Going to tweak it soon… Likely heading out on Monday


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