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Velvet Hammer
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25/04/2019 5:16 pm  
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I got my surfboard out of the garage and put a new traction pad on the tail. I started thinking about my foot position on my surfboard and how I’m constantly changing the angle on my back foot while riding. This is a stupid idea and I am not going to do anything with it but I was wondering if anybody has come up with a binding where the back foot has a rotation of +15 to -15 to allow for forward angles when carving or duck when riding switch or landing jumps. I understand it would be difficult to keep the back foot at the angle you want while riding, but it’s just an idea.

 

Holy shit! 

Guy stole my retarded idea


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26/04/2019 11:37 am  

having ridden a no-back on my rear foot for a whole season to try and achieve some "play" in my back foot to gain more of the control I enjoy surfing, I would postulate a better design would not be some wonky baseplate that looks like a merry-go-round-knee-fucker but instead a binding that has the benefits of normal bindings and no backs but without any of the disadvantages or shortcomings.  We need to keep the response and edge control of a normal binding but freeing up the back foot, I propose, will actually increase that control (at least it does for me)

Here's my thought: the baseplate is 25-50% wider than it would be for its size with a stumpy loback and a strap configuration that allows some front back and angulation change on the boot without completely ruining the response of a traditionally mounted baseplate binding.

I'd like a size Med-Large heel-toe dimension with XXL width baseplate, a flexible heelcup, stumpy loback (bigger than a noback though) and broken in/thinner leather straps or a softer version of the current injection-molded asym Vita strap that has more asym to the design, then mount the strap posi-angled to the baseplate so the ratchet ladder closer to the tail is more towards the toe edge and the ladder toward the nose is closer to the heel edge.   Maybe lightly elastic ladders?! This would allow for some play in the rear foot but also provide a static mounting to engage for response when desired

Burton, hire me to freelance design/R&D this and provide a counterpoint to the dumbass step-on division.  And if you refer to any part of my design as "surfy" my rate quadruples.  Your welcome in advance.  (this post is legal dated documentation of this design; patent application pending)

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26/04/2019 1:15 pm  

I can't even imagine myself going back to riding without hibacks, not even on just the rear foot. Maybe if I was riding deep untracked pow all day. What conditions do you ride in most of the times @soymateo? Do you have any footage of yourself riding? I am really curious to see your boot and binding setup in action.

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26/04/2019 2:00 pm  

I have no desire for low/no-backs on either foot. I enjoy the locked-in responsiveness of highback bindings.

I don't even like it when there's not enough forward lean on my highbacks. It feels too loose and not aggressive enough.


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26/04/2019 2:23 pm  

What about no backs with hard boots, on just the rear foot & binding?


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26/04/2019 2:30 pm  

Though it shouldn't be anymore, the variation on preferences from all variables is still somehow surprising. 

Reminds me of a guy I know that is into the same music scene as I am. It seems he an I can like the same song, but our reasons are as different as the night and day. I'll say I like a song because it's upbeat and happy and he'll say he likes the same song because it's calm and sad. This difference in take between us happens often enough where it's more the rule than the exception... and is a good illustration for me that our experiences swimming in the nebulousness of life is not fixed by any degree. It's amazing we think anyone ever really understands the words coming out of our mouths of us trying to describe our own subjective hallucinations. 

I like turtles snowboarding.

Also, a low-ish loose feeling highback with no forward lean on a gecko plate.  😜 

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28/04/2019 12:39 am  

I like how @soymateo uses "postulate" and "merry-go-round-knee-fucker" in the same sentence. 4.5 snowflakes

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28/04/2019 10:29 am  

Just rode this for a few days. It’s a 156 and camber and so much fun

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29/04/2019 10:50 am  
Posted by: Mig

I can't even imagine myself going back to riding without hibacks, not even on just the rear foot. Maybe if I was riding deep untracked pow all day. What conditions do you ride in most of the times @soymateo? Do you have any footage of yourself riding? I am really curious to see your boot and binding setup in action.

@mig, I just slog it out resort riding 99% of the time at Stevens Pass in all conditions.  My setup is very loose boots, no forward lean on the front and then either 1 notch of forward lean on the rear or the noback.  Angles are either 21/+3 or 24/+6 and 20.5"-ish width.  I rode the noback on my Moss PQ54 every day last season in all conditions.  There's definitely an adjustment needed in riding that setup but I found distinct advantages that click for me to get more unique mechanics.  I carve with my knees touching together and my chest open and rotated in a more exaggerated way with my pelvis seated back toward the tail behind my rear binding.  Hard to describe, but found a few terrible pics and screenshots of me riding since I'm too lazy to figure out how to upload a video. The closest comparison I can show to describe my legs/pelvis positioning are pics of Craig Anderson surfing.  I have a hole in the leather on the inside ankle of my rear boot from canting my rear leg in so much.  Also pics of my rear binding on two diff Moss's that hopefully show it well enough.

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29/04/2019 11:15 am  

We had an issue (that developed into an amazing shitshow)  at our State Finals for girls' halfpipe where one rider who's run was more technical than most only placed 12 because she wasn't as fluid as some of the other girls. The team protested and in trying to explain their reasoning the head judge said "she wasn't as surfy" as the other girls several times.

 

I was speaking with another board member about it and just perplexed that "surfy" is the desired way to ride pipe. I said "surfy is what old dudes like me try to call their riding because we can't do shit but turn any more and still want to feel down." I think fluid is an acceptable adjective for what they were trying to convey, but "surfy"? get the fuck out of here with that. 


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29/04/2019 11:39 am  

Shouldn't it be style?

Like, their style was better. Maybe that's more in control, comfortable... or powerful, or yeah, fluid. 

Idk how you'd qualify surfy-ness as a style unless the goal is to literally look like you're surfing.

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29/04/2019 12:09 pm  

the word "surfy" is a fucking disease.  It means absolute nothing.  I only use surfing as a reference for mechanics and positioning as it applies to my personal riding and when using it as a reference is the most efficient way to display, demonstrate or convey something.  Otherwise, keep it out of snowboarding and take your hippy-dippy soul-searching crap back with you.  Skating and surfing inform some snowboarding but let's leave it as that please.  Also if anyone follows professional surfing there is regular heated debate over the progression of aerial surfing and how it relates to skating primarily and how no one in surfing can refer to anything correctly or even agree what degree a specific rotation or grab is. It's infuriating and entertaining as well

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29/04/2019 2:45 pm  

I wonder if it gets applied because it's a nebulous and perhaps meaningless term. It's something that seems to positively describe a feeling vs. an action, and no one can really quantify it and you also can't argue against it. 

Like, for instance, if we're talking deep pow where your nose is up and your backfoot is sunk (Which doesn't really translate to surfing), but you get that sort of washy (edgeless) float... you don't want to say the board felt washy or edgeless because that has sort of a negative association in snowboarding, so that surfy term gets thrown in. I've done it. fight me.

but in context of someones style, how they ride, it doesn't fraggin' translate at all unless you're saying they got barreled or something. idk.

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29/04/2019 3:13 pm  
Posted by: Mig

I can't even imagine myself going back to riding without hibacks, not even on just the rear foot. Maybe if I was riding deep untracked pow all day. What conditions do you ride in most of the times @soymateo? Do you have any footage of yourself riding? I am really curious to see your boot and binding setup in action.

i've spent the last 2 or 3 days of the year rocking no highback on either foot, using Now's high cups. done out of necessity as the outer boa dial on my k2 taro's doesn't clear the now highbacks. figured i'd give this setup a go and for the final few days of the year i didn't want to buy new boots or bindings. i have to crank the boots a little tighter than usual, but honestly...i was hard pressed to feel a difference in my riding. i had one day a few weeks back on the nitro cannon 173 and it felt like some of the best carving i had done all year. 

i won't pretend to say i look as SURFY as Soy, but i'd like to think i certainly looked like i know what i'm doing

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29/04/2019 4:10 pm  
Posted by: SoyMateo

the word "surfy" is a fucking disease.  It means absolute nothing.  I only use surfing as a reference for mechanics and positioning as it applies to my personal riding and when using it as a reference is the most efficient way to display, demonstrate or convey something.  Otherwise, keep it out of snowboarding and take your hippy-dippy soul-searching crap back with you.  Skating and surfing inform some snowboarding but let's leave it as that please.  Also if anyone follows professional surfing there is regular heated debate over the progression of aerial surfing and how it relates to skating primarily and how no one in surfing can refer to anything correctly or even agree what degree a specific rotation or grab is. It's infuriating and entertaining as well

nah, its a completely appropriate adverb at times. a huge windlip slash is surfy enough. you don't slash on a skateboard or hockey skates. how else would you describe it. i think you can totally "surf" pow meaning lots of back foot turns and snow flying everywhere, but i agree its over used and used incorrectly.


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