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kimchi
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I'll prob stick these out for a couple seasons trying to get out of the habit of having new shit all the time. 

Who are you and what have you done with my friend?


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Was listening to the Rus Winfield Bomb Hole podacst and one of the guys mentioned putting the liners from a larger boot (size 12) into the shell of a smaller boot (size 11) to be able to ride smaller boots comfortably.

I'm suspicious that this would actually work. Any of you guys ever tried this?


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Any of you guys ever tried this?

So back in the day, and by that I mean the 90s and early 00s before most companies moved to 1:1 lasting, it did work sometimes. 

It still works today, kinda in certain circumstances. So earlier this season I was getting new boots for splitboarding. I ordered 2 sets of DC boots. Shuksan, and Judge, all the same size. The reason was the T-rice sole sucks for splitboarding.

Anywho, the Judges were way too small.... Didn’t make sense, my T-rice and the Shuksans fit perfectly. In an experiment I popped the Shuksan liners in the Judges and then they fit perfectly. 

So, the point is, different liners and back when brands were doing 1:2 or 1:3 lasting it can happen. Is it totally common? Doubtful. Even if it is you’re gonna have to pony up for the two sized boots to use the other liners. 


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Any of you guys ever tried this?

. Even if it is you’re gonna have to pony up for the two sized boots to use the other liners. 

Yeah, that is the main reason I would be reluctant to give it a try. Good to know it can work though. Makes a lot more sense now you mentioned brands were doing 1:2 or 1:3 lasting


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New vs used.

Acerra vs Tactical 

Acerras are bit higher and more ankle hold. Feels a bit stiffer but since they are brand new so will probably break in some.

They also look bit narrower but haven’t heat molded them yet.
Will ride 2 days for testing before boot fitting  

Haven’t ridden BOA so will be interesting if I ever like it or just will buy a pair of new Lexicons instead.

This comparison is mostly for Adidas lovers like @kimchi and others.

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@unsuspected thanks, the Acerra Ultralon definitely looks a bit narrower in the heel (dope!) and in the toebox (boo!). I had to warranty my Lexicons last season (thankfully had a backup pair of regular Tacticals ready to go) and was thinking of replacing with the Acerras. I'm leaning towards just going for another set of Tacticals, the Acerras look less duck-feet friendly.


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I have 4 pairs of Tacticals and 1 Accera (had to stack just in case). 278 mm longer foot.

10 US broken-in Tactical Silver Liner, 9.5 US broken-in Silver Liner, 9.5 US new Gold Liner and 9 US new Gold Liner (hoped to size down even more but I don’t see that happening so probably gonna sell/trade for another 9.5 US) and 2 days-in Acerra 9.5 US Gold Liner. The Acerra is 1-2 mm shorter footprint than the Tactical while feeling 1-2 mm longer inside. If I picked another set of custom insoles, this time for a really high arch, maybe I could somehow downsize to 9 US Acerra.

When it comes to the liners - the Gold one is thicker. I had a really big problem putting my foot into 9.5 when brand new, on the verge of damaging the J bars. After 2 days it feels a little more plush than the Silver one while still maintaining the volume to hold the feet.

When it comes to the shell I definitely prefer the Tacticals. The Acerra isn’t really a stiffer shell per se but the heel part is taller and the flex point is less pronounced. I think they might be more prone to creasing but it’s too early to say so for me. The heel response is stronger in the Acceras due to your calves starting the response when they lean on that higher top of the boot shell. I don’t like it personally, I feel like they almost completely kill my ankle movement but if someone is looking for that full concrete seal below the calves they might like it. A bit better ankle support though (while the Tacticals already provide a good one). If they don’t break in quickly I’ll keep them as an emergency choice. For me it feels that the laced shell in the Tacticals works better with your foot.

As I see @unsuspected geeking out over Now Drives I can share my experience with the combo - you cannot align your highback to the Adidas boots. You either cramp the heel into the heelcup with overtightening the straps or there is a gap there (pic attached when the boot leans over the heelcup). Now, that gap is no issue when carving but last season when I rode Falcors (that also have more forward lean than the boot) on + 30 at the front foot and started to jump and spin, I got some nasty Achilles tendon/ankle bump. Within a single day. You jump and that pushed-in heel moves and it’s your heel that slams against the angled highback. Unfortuntely I assigned it to my new downsized 9,5 Tacticals that need to be broken-in so kept on riding that day thinking ‚no pain, no gain’. This season did the same with the Drives at ++ angles, the boot being pushed into the heelcup with an excessive forward lean (which is a minimal setting anyway there). A couple of jumps/spins and I got instantly reminded of that pain in the front heel. At that moment I realised it can’t be the boot and stopped jumping without damaging my heel as I did before.

My bud got Tacticals 10.5 US this season, put them into his Cartels X that were set for his old Burtons 11 US. He’s spinning 360s all the time and after 2 hours asked me if I also had a heel pain when the boots were brand new. I told him about the issue, he put some less aggressive forward lean and the pain was gone.

The testimonies about Adidas ripping into your heels come from that scenario imo. No issue riding them for 100 plus days in other bindings that allow you to allign the forward lean to the boot angle.

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Word, thanks @yeti

I really like the Tacticals, I just wish they were basically the same boot and just a hair stiffer. I also hate BOA and have really finicky feet, so I'm really skeptical to try the Acerras.

I didn't really notice the difference when I warrantied my 2018 Tacticals with Silver liner and got a set of 2020s with Gold liners. Maybe would have noticed if I had them side-by-side, but they felt pretty much the same to me.

I have never had the heel pain issue on Adidas... maybe once or twice on hard jolts on toeside turns on my 2018s.


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The Tacticals had have some boot fitting done to them so may look different to the Acerras because of that. Heat molded 2(I think), heel wedge and custom J-bars with custom insoles.


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Took the Acerras out yesterday for some mellow runs. Had them crank down the first run but then I had them fully open with only the liners tighten. Felt nice not to have the feel of that tighten boot but still responsive due to the stiffness.


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Fresh ions. I really want to try different brands, but not an option here, so sticking with what’s been working. Decent deal from someone who barely used them.

Will probably keep running my current infinite ride liners for now, but curious to try the life liners. I know it’s been sprinkled in comments over the years, but any feedback between the two? The IRs have been working great for me since 2014 with my first set, but I know some didn’t like them.

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Props for running IR liners. I found them to be the worst liner I've ever used. Had the Ion with the first year IR and ended up throwing in my old Imprint 4 liners in them and ran it that way for a while. Had last years Ion with Life liner and still have a pair of Tourists with the Life liner and I really like them. However, the Life liners in my Ions lasted about 12 days before failing. Got new ones on warranty and sold the Ions. Been on Ride Tridents this year and those are probably my favorite boot of all time. Will probably ride those until something better comes along.


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Was it a comfort thing with IR? I think I recall someone here saying they felt “hard,” or something along those lines. They feel great to me and last a long time - Total 180 - I would say best liner I’ve ever used. Funny how that works, and both accounts are true.

Ride and k2 are both tops on my list to try. Tried the maysis+ a few years ago and they were good at home, but just not quite right on snow. Probably something I could have fixed with foam and whatnot.

I’m not very familiar with either brand overall… since you seem to like the general range the ion & tourist sit in, would you say the trident is in the same general category?


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It was definitely a comfort thing. Maybe a first year liner issue, so I don't know if it was improved, but it definitely kept me out of Burtons for a while. 

As far a Ride and K2 go, I don't see them in the same league at all. You'd think since they're under the same umbrella the quality would be similar, but Ride is so much better than K2 for boots. The big thing for me on the Ride boots is the wrap Intuition liner. Couple that will the BOA heel lock thing they got and I can get the perfect fit. I'm running some boot inserts on the from of the liner as I have super chicken legs, but even before modding them they were damn good out of the box. A few seasons ago I had the Fuse, which is a lace boot with the BOA heel lock. I prefer the lace, but it was just a tad too soft. The Trident is a step up in stiffness just below the Insano. The footprint is about the same or maybe a bit smaller than the Ion with a much narrower heel. I found my 10.5 Ions didn't quite fit in the heelcup of a medium Union. However, the Ride fits perfectly. 

 

I'm not the biggest fan of the BOA, but prefer it over the Speedzone. I prefer lace to both of those, so if they ever do a Fuse Pro that's stiffer I'm on board. 


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Good to know between the two brands. Wasn’t necessarily assuming they were in the same ballpark just because they are both under Jarden/Newell or whatever it is, just have heard good things for each. Definitely hoping to get to try ride some time. Maybe I’ve just been missing it, but it seems like a sleeper boot brand.

The life liners feel better in these new shells than my current infinite rides. Could change with overall break-in.

It’s all good, and at the end of the day, I have a handful of boots & liners to make it all work well.. but as I’m sure everyone can relate to, pretty tired of the never-ending boot quest!


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