I feel that I am lost - can't decide on anything anymore
Hello people of ezloungin
I have been searching and (over)thinking about my new two boards quiver for so long now, that I can't even sleep at night. I have a feeling that I can't decide s**t anymore. I have ride many forums, opened a lot of threats already, watched and read countless reviews so far but still, here I am again... I also do not have an option to try it before buy (I actually arranged a rental for Custom camber 156 next weekend but that is all), so I am mainly rely on what I read online.
I have been snowboarding for more then 10 years now, but more actively past 5 years and I am counting myself as a strong intermediate ride overall. I usually ride on my local ski resorts (around 25 km of total groomer's length), few one day trips to nearest bigger mountains in neighbouring countries and at least one longer trip to bigger ski resorts (Flachau, Obertauern, Nassfeld - Austria, Val Thorens, Les 2 Alps - France) annually. I am most interested in freestyle riding (park and playing around the mountain - I like the idea to ride the whole mountain as a terrain park). But when there is fresh pow, I couldn't care less about park, I just want to be in deep snow. So, I think two board quiver would work well for my needs. I am around 172 lbs (78kg), and 10.5 US Burton boots. And because I already have two pairs of Burton's EST bindings I would love to go with Burton (I know that some other companies also make channelled board but it is hard to find them here in EU, and also no one can't beat Burton's customers support). I also do some pre-seasson work out every fall/early winter to stay in shape.
For first stick, I am sure I want to go with the Skeleton key. I have been riding The SK-twin 154 for 2 years and I loved it. It was more park board but was also very decent in pow. It was also a great turner. But I am not so sure about the size, should I go with the 158 or 154? I am looking for:
-good flow in pow (we do not have extra deep one );
-good turner (I do not ride extra tight trees, but still);
-to be stable at higher speed, as I usually like to fast charged a few rides in the morning when the groomers are in good conditions;
-to be playful enough to mess around - side hits, natural kickers in pow;
- good for spring's slush.
I contacted Burton support and they advised me the 158. I actually find one 158 (2018 model) pretty cheap last week so I ordered it. But now, I am thinking to return it and grab the 154, as I mentioned earlier, I mainly ride on smaller ski resorts (locally) so I am not so sure that the 158 was a good choice anymore.
For second board I am looking for something mainly for park(70%) and allmountain riding (30%). I do mainly jumps (small and medium, also tried larger ones a few times), so I am looking for something with good accessible pop. As mentioned before, I considered myself as a strong intermediate rider overall, but for park riding I am more on a low intermediate level. I know some basic tricks and spins but nothing crazy, but I really would like to progress more and learn new tricks and spins.
I do not why but I would love to go with the Custom camber (156 or 154W - not sure which one ofc), probably because so many pro riders use it in park. But I am afraid it will be too stiff for what I need - I read it is torsionally very stiff which is not great for spins. I don't know but I have a feeling it won't be so playful as I would like it to be. I have ridden the Custom camber 158w before and it was OK, but when I switched to the SK-twin 154 it really opened my eyes. It was much more playful and quicker edge to edge. Probably because it was narrower and shorter so easier to throw around. I would love to compare the Custom 154 with the SK-twin 154, but C 154 (not wide) would be too narrow for my boots size. The only thing I was missing with the SK-twin was lack of pop. I just wish it to be a little more there.
I am also considering about the Paramount 155. It is softer then the Custom, so I guess it will be easier to play with around. I also read that it has a very good pop. And the waist won't be too narrow for me (I would be on a lower side tho), as I am not attend to lay down some aggressive carves with this one.
Or should I look somewhere else. I know the Kilroy family is pretty park oriented, but I would love to have something more high-end build, with faster base and better core.
If someone saw this topic somewhere else just skip it 🙂 but I will be more than happy of any advice.
snow is fun on any snowboard. Period. There is no wrong choice, only better choices.
I think the Paramount will be a great choice for your park board (and my opinion is worth what you pay for it 😛)
I don't ride much park these days and would call myself a beginner and want to get back into it a bit, so I got a Kilroy 3D. But they are sold out on Burton's site now. I would have probably gotten the Paramount otherwise. I also think about getting a Custom X but not for park specifically but aggressive all-mountain.
I have no problem with my Kilroy Process/Custom/Directional in clearing all sizes of jumps. They are actually pretty reliable despite being in the lower price range.
If you want something pricier, custom twin/free thinker/deep thinker are decent in both park and all mountain.
Honestly there's no point overthinking it, just grab one with the graphic you like and ride until you break it.
Agree burton generally doesn’t make bad boards, just different. Been a long time fan of the customs and they are good all around boards. Quite versatile imho. Got a 154 FV last year to try that profile and didn’t like the loose feel so gave it to my son and got a 156 camber this season. Solid boards. The FV was better in pow but that’s ok since you’re looking for a two board quiver. This year’s hometown hero is another solid all mountain pow board. Only been on it once so far but really like the ride. Not too burly but stable, turns well all over the mountain and handles moderate pow like a champ. I’ve heard good things about the Kilroy boards and the name dropper for more park specific riding. Good luck.
Go with the 158 on SK. Its a soft board.
Thank you all for your thoughts and advises!
My local shop still has two 3Ds on stock. I was also thinking about this one but have thought that it is more a jibbing board.
I am the most interested in Kilroy Custom (last year model - my local shop still has them), but I think the 154 would be too narrow. I guess the Kilroy twin 155 would work well, but being on the higher end with my weight it would make it even softer, which would reduce its pop, but yeah, it would be great for jibbing and playing around. But yeah, as I said, I don't have any experience with Kilroy boards, so can't tell for sure. If you said that you have no troubles with them on jumps I would love to try them, but as I said I don't have that option.
The Deep and Free thinkers are even more stiffer than the Custom as far I know (I don't know how they feel on a snow tho) so I think those two would be overkill for me. The custom twin is marked with the same flex as the Custom. But because it is marked as more park oriented board I reckon it is more playful than the Custom. Has anyone any experience with the Custom twin. I would love to hear a comparison between the Custom and Custom twin.
Thanks, I guess I will keep my 158 and will see after this season. I got it for a really good price so I still can sell it after the season with the minimal loss of money 🙂
Seriously you're seriously way overthinking it. All this research you're doing is not productive. Online reviews are nigh useless because it's all preference based and you don't know your preferences. That being the case, as long as you're in the right ballpark (e.g. not buying a Custom X as a rails board), you'll be fine.
I rode the "wrong boards" relative to my current preferences for 10+ years and had a blast doing it.
Ride long enough and ride enough boards, and you eventually get a sense for what kind of shapes and specs you like. There's no real way to shortcut that experience, unfortunately.
Just tuning in to say hope you stick around, most of us here are over thinkers.
My first thought reading your thread was free thinker, but what the fuck do I know about snowboard product lines these days anyway? I've been riding a one board quiver on the East Coast for the past few years, AMA.
First day with some time on the Kilroy 3D - definitely very fun board. Super turny, but smaller turns, of course. Still drawing lines. Only hit the 2 boxes in the "park" and some small airs from natural transitions, but so far seems perfect for what I want to do with it. I did want a softer twin because I didn't have this in my quiver.
And the worst part is that I am aware of that but I am still doing it. And as I said, I will stick with the SK 158 and will see. And next week I will test the Custom 156 and will see how it will work. If it will be to stiff for my needs I will order the Paramount 155 probably.
yeah sure, most of us want to make sure where are we putting our money to and that most likely leads to overthinking things 🙂
Sweet, thanks for additional input 🙂 I will probably buy it if my local shop don’t sell it till the end-season sales.
Overthinking snowboarding equipment is almost a prerequisite for EL membership it seems... 🤣 🤣 My current quiver won't make sense to a lot of people but I like what I like... what can i say...
DOA 154, custom camber 156, Hth 156, speed date 156, stun gun 151, Rome mod camber 156, simple pleasures 151, yes greats 154... probably need to unload a few of these soon...
54 skeleton key and 55 paramount
I think the 58 will feel too big. If you rode bigger and faster mountains then I’d go 58. But 54 for a small mountain pow board sounds good.