Impact of tail design?
Curious what everyone preference on tail shape is and why riders like a particular shape?
I get the reason for preferring a twin - but with all these esoteric tail shapes - what works best for what?
I generally prefer to ride really far backwards and prefer a tail as short as possible. I like Diamond shape /rounded tails better because they to allow me to "change direction" quickly particluarly when I am stuck (stopped) in sketchy terrain or tree/branch - heavy terrain...
Similary I never considered a Blunt or flat nose as sensible - but I guess that shape is good for sidehits? I looked at that blunt nose design as a danger to myself - as I often rely on my "pointy"nose to bang me into my turn away from that tree trunk I otherwise wouldn't have been able to avoid ... with a square nose I would have gotten f'd so many times...never made sense to me until I started watching these sidehit videos that seem to be getting popular...
Outside the back contact point it doesn't matter much or at all. Reduces the surface area by very little and that only in deep snow where the board sinks. Behind the back leg its a matter of surface area (ie a deep shallow tail).
Its mostly a matter of aesthetics on most boards out there.
Personally there are other stuff i look for than tail nose design.
Yeah I totally get the volume / volume shift idea - but when for example looking at the Korua Pencil 164 and Korua Tranny Finder 157 they appear to have the identical " main" shape/specs - besides the different nose tail profiles. Based on my preference I would have never considered a Tranny Finder - mainly because of the nose profile potentially getting me stuck in brushy crap, similar fears with extreme swallow tails getting me tangled in trees taking for example like the Dart...but I never realized that nose design is not always just for astethics, but can actually also be better for certain uses, like taking luny sidehits...
Just wondering what else I might have missed. For example I am wondering - is there a real gimmicky special benefit of an extreme swallow tail...does it turn harder - but is easier for straightlining???)
My past 10 year were pretty much spent on Malolo / Fish and haven't explored enough designs ( and also never paid too much attention to specs)
I haven't ridden a lot of pointy pow specific boards, but the difference of a blunted nose with a smooth transition from contact point and a sharper one, like my Kazu, is night and day. The Kazu is fine through cold fluffy stuff, but likes to cut into snow. This has been very apparent on sketchy traverses through steep areas (likes to throw you and cut into the snow) and hot pow through the trees. It doesn't allow me to ride pow centered as well as many others, like the twin Aether or PYL for instance. You also do long turns in pow at higher speeds off back more where as in on a more blunted nose you can feel the board offer more buoyancy and "float" as the surface area kicks in and push into the nose more. The Kazu is amazing for a lot of other reasons and gives a reallly cool sensation in cold pow.
I don't have the kind of close call situations you've had where the shape of a nose would have made any difference, but can see the reasoning in going pointy. The mind expander has been the perfect tree board for me, but that's mainly due to other aspects of the design other than outline, like a full 3d rocker profile, flex etc..
i haven't ridden the Koruas but i'd expect them to ride the same on hardpack (if they are the same contact point to contact point). And maybe "feel" the extra weight or lack of depending on nose area on each one.
Swallowtails definitely make a difference. Obviously there’s the pow benefit. But it actually changes dynamics of a turn pretty significantly, even on groomers. You can pack on more effective edge onto the board length. The “fins” flex independently of one another, so the tail releases easier. Downside of that IMO is you can get bucked easier in choppier terrain or snow because sometimes the fins react unpredictably compared to a solid tail.
Those characteristics scale with how deep the V is. I’m skeptical the Squash swallow does much outside of pow. But on something deep and right up to the back foot like the Bataleon Surfer or Korua Dart, you’ll feel it.
how do you pack on more edge by cutting away the middle? makes no sense
cutting away material from behind the back foot (not just the kicked part) helps to sink it down
it also makes the tail very very soft (meaning much shittier on groomers)
Squared off tail (con artist) is my fav or a mellow moon tail.. for absolutely no reason other than aesthetics
I like a slightly smaller tail surface than, say, a twin in the same size, but still really like having some power back there. Supportive and strong, but maybe a little more quick off the back foot. Not too concerned with kick aesthetic, but I would agree that the con artist and other squash (the shape, not the nitro board) tails are my favorite look.
Ultimately for me it’s more about the functional surface/edge than the kick or overall aesthetic. Affects where the balance point is, quickness and feeling of a slash, the way it likes to pop…
I also pay more attention to the nose shape and profile
Needs nice curves. Besides that, I think pintails are better than deep swallowtails for powder and slashing. Fishtails can be better on wide boards so you don't slow down by pushing all that snow. Square- and diamondtails are good for icy conditions. Moontails for cruising and roosting. Roundtails allround freestyle.
Totally agree with nice curves overall first and foremost. But let's assume there are to chicks with the perfect curves and shape - it comes back to the good old titts or ass question...
Of course I wanna say I am both, but from a first emotional response I usually first attracted to a tight back... Bataleon Surfer looks like honey to me - and super curious to ride a hot tail like that...would love the idea that the tail has a special flex to do X...
I think I keep mixing up diamond and pin tails - I think I like pintails best. Thanks for the replies!
I had a Skipjack and really didn't like the tail - mostly in conditions of l;ike 6-12inches of pow with a hard base, whenever pressing a bit too hard in turn it's like throw the claw into the ice...so the Square design for icy makes total sense to me. Fishtail I didn't care too much either for same reason - and so far prefer the tail of my camber fish the most of what I have ridden. Essentially I think I like to have one claw in the center of my tail.
Like the look of the moonshape the best...
I love the tail design on the this Nidecker Gun -diamond shaped, very stiff and powerful -it's like a ginsu knife: slices and dices down the mountain.