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Mr. Irrelevant
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23/04/2019 12:49 pm  

there's a pq60 on ebay right now for $850 OBO. has some topsheet knicks, but base and edges look good. so tempted to offer $650, but i'm not sure i'd be happy if it was accepted haha don't have that cash, but it'd be a killer deal


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04/12/2019 9:14 pm  

Two Moss snowsticks in the current quiver: Wingswallow 149, Swallow 162. Picked up the Swallow locally in the summer, traded the Wingswallow for my PQ54 when my local shop botched a tune and gave me my pick of the demo fleet.

I probably won't put these to snow until January, after Tahoe's filled in and the holiday crowds disperse.

I'll most likely sell the Wingswallow. I suspect it's too small at 210 lb riding in a place like Tahoe, but a couple other Moss-loving buddies who're 190-205 lbs insist it can work. We'll see.


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05/12/2019 3:51 pm  

How did they botch the tune on the PQ?

I just put DPS Phantom on my PQ54. Still haven't tried on snow but hopefully good. There was a "tune" involved in the DPS treatment but the edges don't look primo sharp so we'll see.

I think even PQ54 may be small for me in Japow at 180 and considering PQ60


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05/12/2019 5:42 pm  

Not sure the PQ60 would give you more float. The PQ54 is about 2 cm wider at the waist than the PQ60. I would be curious to see what the relative surface areas are, but giving the added width on the 54, it may actually be the one with the higher number.

The 54 is also more heavily tapered than the 60 is, so that will likely add to the 54 being the (at least slightly) more friendly of the two in deep snow.


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05/12/2019 10:01 pm  
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How did they botch the tune on the PQ?

I just put DPS Phantom on my PQ54. Still haven't tried on snow but hopefully good. There was a "tune" involved in the DPS treatment but the edges don't look primo sharp so we'll see.

I think even PQ54 may be small for me in Japow at 180 and considering PQ60

There's a little convex section in between the the 3D shaping under the fins. The tech didn't realize it was there, accidentally flattened it out on the grinder, and exposed a small section of core. That's not a huge deal, but it isn't repairable except by digging it out. I was pretty pissed when I found it, but I'm happy with resolution. They'll put the board into their demo fleet, and I get to try something else.

I vaguely recall you being based up in Seattle, the ONLY person I would let touch either of my Moss decks at this point this board is Johnny Lupo up at Boardworks Tech Shop in Bellingham. Too much of a hassle otherwise.

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Not sure the PQ60 would give you more float. The PQ54 is about 2 cm wider at the waist than the PQ60. I would be curious to see what the relative surface areas are, but giving the added width on the 54, it may actually be the one with the higher number.

The 54 is also more heavily tapered than the 60 is, so that will likely add to the 54 being the (at least slightly) more friendly of the two in deep snow.

Lack of width you mention is the reason I've never been that interest in a PQ60, despite it being more in line with what I typically ride-- generally 162 daily drivers. I think the Swallow 62 will be a better fit.

I hear rumblings that they'll make a PQ57-ish with the fat waist of the PQ54 and more edge, but I'll believe it when I see it.


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06/12/2019 9:56 am  
Posted by: @kimchi

Lack of width you mention is the reason I've never been that interest in a PQ60, despite it being more in line with what I typically ride-- generally 162 daily drivers. I think the Swallow 62 will be a better fit.

I hear rumblings that they'll make a PQ57-ish with the fat waist of the PQ54 and more edge, but I'll believe it when I see it.

100% agree on the width of the pq60; same reason I haven't picked up a few that I've seen in the $650ish range.  pq57 with width and taper in line with the 54 would be THE Moss board to have hands down.  Also look at the specs of the 58 vs 62 swallowtail--similar to the PQ's in that the 58 is actually wider.  I really really liked the 58 swallowtail I rode and would own it if I didn't feel it overlapped too much with my current quiver.  That being said with the current Moss lineup the 58 swallowtail would be my go-to next acquisition.  


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06/12/2019 10:37 am  
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100% agree on the width of the pq60; same reason I haven't picked up a few that I've seen in the $650ish range.  pq57 with width and taper in line with the 54 would be THE Moss board to have hands down.  Also look at the specs of the 58 vs 62 swallowtail--similar to the PQ's in that the 58 is actually wider.  I really really liked the 58 swallowtail I rode and would own it if I didn't feel it overlapped too much with my current quiver.  That being said with the current Moss lineup the 58 swallowtail would be my go-to next acquisition.  

I'm pretty excited to ride my Swallow 62. Edge for days, and that deep swallow will be fun to play around on the tail.

A guy locally has been trying to sell this Swallow 58 since end of last season. $500 if you're interested. I'm not sure which year it is, he didn't like the topsheet so he spray painted it black lol. I imagine the paint would be pretty easy to clean up if you're so inclined.

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06/12/2019 10:46 am  

Let me know what you think of the 62.  I always like that they change the specs in almost all regards between sizes versus just up- or down- sizing a design.  The 62 seems more setback and longer EE than the 58.  If I remember right the 58 is, for a moss, close to 0" setback and like you said the difference in the EE and depth of swallow probably lends a totally different riding experience.  It's also wild how they change the geometry on the 72 or 74 whatever the big boy SW is.

I'm only 165lbs so the 58 was plenty for me.  Pretty stiff torsionally with obviously some play in the swallow which is what I love about carving on swallowtails.  Have fun man!  Hopefully we get some dumps soon to really warrant breaking out the Moss's : )


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06/12/2019 10:58 am  

The big boy swallow is a 170, and it is amazing. I had previously wanted a Gentem FlyFisk, but after demoing and buying the Moss, the FlyFisk felt less refined when I demoed it again at BigWave last Spring and I lost interest.


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06/12/2019 11:21 am  
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The big boy swallow is a 170, and it is amazing. I had previously wanted a Gentem FlyFisk, but after demoing and buying the Moss, the FlyFisk felt less refined when I demoed it again at BigWave last Spring and I lost interest.

At the Moss demo last year I wanted to jump on the 162 and it was out, so I said screw it and jumped on the 170. I was amazed how "normal" it felt given it has a 277 waist. I only got it ride it for about an hour, but I had fun.

Curious how the 162 will feel, the shape is pretty different. No multi-radial sidecut, much narrower waist, longer effective edge, more setback. Like @soymateo said, pretty crazy how much they change up the specs between sizes.


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09/12/2019 11:16 am  

@matty, kimchi & SoyMateo: I do have some doubts on surface area for PQ54 > PQ60 but really hope you are right about it being better in deep pow 🙂 

If you wonder why I have the doubts: was looking at Evo's site and they say PQ60 is "...perfect for bigger guys..." 


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09/12/2019 11:44 am  
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@matty, kimchi & SoyMateo: I do have some doubts on surface area for PQ54 > PQ60 but really hope you are right about it being better in deep pow 🙂 

If you wonder why I have the doubts: was looking at Evo's site and they say PQ60 is "...perfect for bigger guys..." 

That's interesting. Their snowboard buyers have literally told me (a bigger guy) that the PQ60 wouldn't work for me, but that the PQ54 might be fun as a short/wide.


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09/12/2019 12:31 pm  

@matty: PQ54 would be fun in the right conditions. Mellower lines and groomers.

Wrong conditions... little scary. I'm about 210 lbs, I remember you're a little bit bigger than me. I dropped a steeeeep chute at Kirkwood on the PQ and that was exhilarating / terrifying. I actually did ok in untracked pow at Jackson, but I wouldn't have dropped any of the REALLY gnarly stuff on it.


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09/12/2019 12:59 pm  

^ haha - yes, I've been on my PQ on "regular" lines at Whistler and it was a lot of fun (I'm a bit lighter than you guys) but I won't take it out for the real gnar!  I'm glad I have mine at this size for fun, like you say. Just haven't had a chance to try in super deep light stuff and want to be well prepared 🙂

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kimchi
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09/12/2019 6:32 pm  
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^ haha - yes, I've been on my PQ on "regular" lines at Whistler and it was a lot of fun (I'm a bit lighter than you guys) but I won't take it out for the real gnar!  I'm glad I have mine at this size for fun, like you say. Just haven't had a chance to try in super deep light stuff and want to be well prepared 🙂

Yep. I was actually surprised at how much it could handle. Better rider than me would be fine, but I definitely reached a point of steepness and consequence where I was not comfortable riding it.


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