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STUDIO ARCHIV
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@wesbourne Love your comment on waist gaiters. There was a rider round table at Burton and it was asked how many riders used the waist gaiter in their jackets? zero hands went up and one rider went as far as to say he has a box full of them in his garage from all the jackets he has zipped em out of. The complaint was they are more of a pain in the ass to attach to your pants then help. Granted this is pro level talk. Volcom's zip-tech is cool. I think of it like this- Back in the day (way back) you would buy your first bmx bike and it would come with fenders, chain guard, reflectors, all sorts of shit. One day you realize getting a little dirt on your back is way better then that lame fender. Plus your bike is lighter and leaner with out all that extra crap.

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@michaeldawson Hahaha, that and I've never ridden in pow deep enough to get in my jacket. And I haven't bailed hard enough in years for that to happen either.


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Wah I love the level of discourse in this thread. I moderate the snowboarding subreddit and the bulk of the questions are more on the level of... "Should I buy these Montec jackets and Zionor goggles?"


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I love having zip tech. For me it’s not about snow depth, but rather about what can happen when you eat shit or just loop out and go to your butt, regardless of snow conditions. Other than already having such a quiver of Volcom gore stuff in all my favorite earthtones, that’s another reason I think I’m sticking with Volcom for the forseeable future. I don’t need much from my outerwear other than being waterproof enough for southeast AK and having a couple basic features, so why switch?

When I didn’t have ziptech, I always felt like a pow skirt was pretty minimal protection at best, and only to a certain point within whatever happens during your fall, or whatever it is.

I’m sure there are others out there, but I think I’m the only person I know of that actually likes those wrist gaiters. I can sort of understand why everyone else hates them, but I haven’t been able to experience it myself, to be honest. That said, I currently haven’t had them for a while. I have thumb holes in all my base layers, and that works just fine.

Pretty sure my perfect jacket is just a Volcom L, but made out of non-stretch 3L pro, and make all the zippers waterproof, but still keep the flap over the main zipper. Oh and move the visible zippered pocket to the other side of the chest, instead of being on top of the audio pocket (accessed under the flap). Why they stacked two pockets on top of each other makes no sense - there is open real estate on the other side! The guide or Guch, which ever isn’t stretch, probably fits the bill well enough, but I just can’t justify the price to switch over, when I’m not lacking anything with my current stuff.

I do have a pair of guide pants from a few years ago, and I can obviously tell the difference in the material quality and feel, but I don’t wear them simply because they’re black. Not feeling black these days; maybe will sell.


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Posted by: @michaeldawson

@wesbourne Love your comment on waist gaiters. There was a rider round table at Burton and it was asked how many riders used the waist gaiter in their jackets? zero hands went up and one rider went as far as to say he has a box full of them in his garage from all the jackets he has zipped em out of. The complaint was they are more of a pain in the ass to attach to your pants then help. Granted this is pro level talk. Volcom's zip-tech is cool. I think of it like this- Back in the day (way back) you would buy your first bmx bike and it would come with fenders, chain guard, reflectors, all sorts of shit. One day you realize getting a little dirt on your back is way better then that lame fender. Plus your bike is lighter and leaner with out all that extra crap.

In fairness... Burton's jacket-pant attachment system sucks. At least it did on the most recent [ak] I own circa 2015, which I think is the system they're still using, with the stretch loops on the jacket and the static loops on the pant. Even if you attach all the loops between pant and jacket... the design is such that the gaiter can still rise above the hem of the pant. Attachment is a pain in the ass and does basically nothing, and the waist gaiter is essentially useless without an effective securing mechanism.

Hate to keep harping on Arc'teryx, but I've trialed their jacket/pant attachment system, which seems simpple and effective (although I haven't used it on snow yet).

If I recall correctly Burton did have basically zip-tech in the late-aughts (along with some other companies), but Volcom held the patent and nixed all that real quick.


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Yep, I had some Burton stuff with the zippered pow skirt before it became

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Personally, I think it should be open to anyone. Standard, even. It’s a very simple idea that I’d even consider common sense - seems odd that one company could patent it.


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There were companies  using it before yes, but if someone decides to copy it in NA and patents it, it doesn’t matter if they «stole» it. The ones using it were getting so much shit for not having xxl sizes anyways. Volcom has some nice stuff though.


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I hate typing on my phone!

 

I like wrist gators but can do without.

I love zip tech.

2 Way front zipper is real Nice for venting options.

I wish all pants had elastic adjustable cuffs like my old frostner bibs.

I modified my guch stretch pants and put a elastic string in The seam Down by The boot so i can get it tight even when using my sorells.

 

 

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I had to finally register (or re-register. I couldn't find my account any more). 

I also like wrist gators and value theme highly when choosing a jacket. My favorite so far has been DaKine Sawtooth from 2018 or so. It has everything I want from a jacket (for backcoutry use). I also now have the Volcom L, which is nice except it doesn't have the gators nor the lift ticket pocket on the sleeve. But I need another one for local resort days, because I (apparently) carry my board the wrong way and it's wearing the jacket from the side.


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I’m not sure if you are referring to the board-carry thing from my comment alone, but to note, I don’t exactly know what it is about my friends who wear their jackets in that area from carrying their boards. It simply doesn’t happen to me, but I don’t know what we are doing differently. We appear to hold them the same way. Definitely didn’t mean to say anyone is doing anything “wrong”...

I suppose a sleeve pocket for your pass would be nice as well. We’ve only had RFID gates for a couple years, so it’s new to me. I keep mine in the left hand-pocket. My trick is attaching a paperclip with a duct tape strip, and I then attach it to the loop on the drawcord inside the pocket. Keeps it from falling out if I open the pocket, and easy to switch between jackets


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Some Nitro.

That new Pantera looks incredible.

I had such high hopes for the next year's Team Pro graphics. Disappointing.

The one between Squash and regular Team is the Taxwood Team Pro but it only comes in 3 sizes.


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I’m not sure if you are referring to the board-carry thing from my comment alone, but to note, I don’t exactly know what it is about my friends who wear their jackets in that area from carrying their boards. It simply doesn’t happen to me, but I don’t know what we are doing differently. We appear to hold them the same way. Definitely didn’t mean to say anyone is doing anything “wrong”...

I suppose a sleeve pocket for your pass would be nice as well. We’ve only had RFID gates for a couple years, so it’s new to me. I keep mine in the left hand-pocket. My trick is attaching a paperclip with a duct tape strip, and I then attach it to the loop on the drawcord inside the pocket. Keeps it from falling out if I open the pocket, and easy to switch between jackets

Kind of referring to that. And don't worry, I didn't think you were actually saying we do something wrong, but if you can do it without wearing the jacket, there apparently is a better way 😀

RFID:s or what ever have been the norm in Europe for so long, that I appreciate the pocket. Although it works usually well from the hand-pocket or even the cargo pocket. But with a separate pocket I don't need to worry about the ticket, when using the pocket for something else.  


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Some Nitro.

That new Pantera looks incredible.

I hope they didn't loose the Banker. But I doubt that, since there is the women's version Karma. And no Fusion either.


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Pretty sure the banker is in that video, from the shape I saw. Liking the look of the mountain, and the plain squash topsheet looks great, but curious about the base as I don’t think it was featured? I only carefully skimmed the video.

Re: board-carry wearing jackets - maybe part of it is just the person’s movement, even though we hold them the same? Those friends of mine might be swinging their arms more, “swishing“ the board & edge against the jacket, whereas I think my arm/board doesn’t move as much? I did end up with a little bit of wear on a Holden jacket years ago, but I wore that thing SO many days, and it never actually gave out or had an issue.

I briefly had a quicksilver T-rice jacket in 2010 that had a fore-arm zipper pocket, which came with a little plastic vile. Joint tube? The jacket was terrible in any sort of wet conditions, so I ended up returning it quickly.

RFID is certainly not new to the US, but Eaglecrest is a very basic resort, kind of old-school, and I’m actually amazed we have those gates now. It’s a city-run & funded ski area that usually operates with a financial loss, so I’m not sure who paid for it 😜


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did someone already share this…backcountry exclusive, looks like backcountry is starting to make their own line of boards too

 

https://www.backcountry.com/whitespace-shaun-white-pro-limited-edition-autographed-snowboard

 

WHI D7

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