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Posted by: @unsatisfiedus

the posts from a couple years ago made them sound finicky

Version 1.0 were very finicky, at least in my experience. Elicited a lot of angry cursing on windy ridgetops as I struggled to transition to ride mode. Version 2.0 are a massive improvement. The only problem I've encountered with them is the aluminum screws which seem to work loose much more easily and are difficult to tighten due to the aluminum being so soft. 

 


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I can let you know in a week, I'm taking a splitboard and solid and a set of karakorams + quiver connectors to Utah

how was it?


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the quiver connectors performed great!

 I entered the banked slalom contest at powder mountain and I ended up placing 13th out of 50 in the qualifiers...I think I would have placed higher but this was the first time I've used my karakorams on a solid board, so just getting a feel for them was new, esp on slush conditions on a run I've never been on before.

For what it's worth, I have the Karakoram Straightlines - which I believe are the stiffest bindings on the market. I think the baseplate design of the Straightlines have some issues which I'm going to report to Karakoram. But otherwise, I can fully recommend the Quiver Connectors if you are thinking of using them for your solid boards.


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nice good to know and glad you had fun.  wish we had more banked slaloms around here (obviously i'm close the the baker one but even if the border was open...)

i'll look for a good price on these things.  


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ok, so there isn't much info out there, particularly for using these with solid boards, but it appears that the prime connect line can be broken down to:

  • standard base and footbed
  • standard ankle strap (and toe strap?)
  • two different different sidewalls
  • two - three different highbacks
  • two different connection sets (solid and split)

the different models are combinations of those components.  it also appears that this year's line is basically the same as last year (except they appear to have introduced a binding for just solid boards).  am i understanding correctly?

 


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I bought a pair of connect R's (i believe the comparable version this season is the 'free ranger' model) from last season and rode them about 20 days this season (pow, corduroy, corn etc.). I went back and forth between my falcors (that i'm not totally in love with) this season. I was intrigued by the connect r's first because of the applicability to my split (thereby letting me sell my spark arcs and falcors to downsize), and second the idea of better 'power transfer' to handle my furberg 168 (275WW) since the falcors were quite jelly with their mini disk footprint. The falcors were fine of smaller WW boards, but absolutely abysmal for the furberg - to the point where my burton missions were better on the furberg (pretty good actually - and I attributed this to the larger footprint on the board). 

The CRs are sure a lot stiffer and more responsive. There really isn't a lag for the response to the edge like i've noticed with the falcors or softer full-disk bindings i've owned. I found them to be pretty damp and comfortable due to the rubber pads and thick foot bed. I would say (at least the way i've ran them) they are a lot less 'tweakable' compared to the falcors - but I'm not very freestyle motivated so I wouldn't know if I'm doing it right to begin with. Another way of putting it - locked in. I felt like my responses were instant (especially with respect to torsional control). That suits my freeride style and I find them pretty solid/dependable on my furberg and cadet. I still have no issue buttering or simple grabs/spins off cliffs but I get the power transfer to the tail when I need to put the landing gear down (falcors would bend a bit - or felt like they would). Same thing when slowing down from high speed across bumpy terrain - solid connection and I felt like I had good control of the board. I think if I wanted a 'looser feel' I would just lighten up on the straps a ratchet or two - but they're comfortable straps and I tend to be an over-tightener.

I don't know how these compare to Now's (I imagine less surfy), but I was evaluating them at the same time as the CR's and made the choice for CR for their split compatibility and quiver system. As an engineer, I find the pre-loading interesting, but would need to draw some snowboard force diagrams before understanding how much of a difference it makes.

Issues during the season: The hardware: screws for the highback and strap are on the same screw and I've had to keep an eye on my backfoot screw loosening and tightening as i flip the highback down for the lift and back up for riding. Sometimes I've noticed 'creaking' as I twist the board torsionally - basically the connector and the binding mounts sliding against each other. It didn't lead to any accidents or noticeable change in performance, but it was always unnerving to me to hear. Snow/ice filling in: Depending on the snow conditions (mostly tahoe heavy snow) and how I setup the bindings I would get snow/ice between the toe/heel portion of the binding and the board. Didn't notice its performance while riding, but rather at the end of the day. 


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@unsatisfiedus your summary of the connect line seems right except their lowest tier connect line has a different ankle strap. Another change for this year is they only give one pair of quiver connectors - last year they gave 2 pairs. I'm not sure how the baseplate and disc work with the continuum though (solid only binding).


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@onitsukatiger 

thanks!  super helpful writeup.  much appreciated.  

 

did your connect Rs have the asymmetric sidewall setup or is that new for the free ranger?

 

also, did you end up using the quiver connectors to switch between boards?  on the videos i've seen it looks easy.  but i swear it looks like it cuts just before he is going to connect them in the one where yoder is doing it.  


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Asymmetric "surf" sidewall setup was new for 2021, so Connect Rs would not have it.

Quiver Connector changeovers are indeed stupid easy. Dramatically less finnicky than NOW's system (which I find faster than full screws, but still a pain, especially before all the hardware and bushing break-in). "Drop on" change overs is a bit of an exaggeration, but relatively little fiddling to get a KK binding into the right position.

I used the Connect Rs a few more times since I last posted in January. I may sell them ahead of this season.

If I'm definitely going to ride the resort, I'd rather ride my NOWs (or some other "normal" binding) with better feel and no specialized hardware.

If I'm definitely going to tour, I'd rather ride my Sparks, which are lighter, tour better, and mechanically simpler. I noted previously that the KKs ride better in bad snow, but not a worthwhile trade-off IMO.

They fall into a weird tween-er zone where the only time I'd opt for them is on a trip where I'm not sure if I'm going to ride lifts or tour, and I REALLY don't want to bring 2 different sets of bindings.

I have one possible saving grace for them: I picked up a set of Drift Boards last season for low-key quick lap sessions when I don't feel like dealing with skins and the whole she-bang. Keeping the KKs on the Drift Board and a solid board on my back with Quiver Connectors may be an elegant (albeit expensive) solution to minimize weight on ascent. I'll probably try that early season before I sell them.


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Posted by: @kimchi

... no specialized hardware.

are you referring to the quiver connectors here, or are there special bolts to hold them on?

I have one possible saving grace for them: I picked up a set of Drift Boards last season for low-key quick lap sessions when I don't feel like dealing with skins and the whole she-bang. Keeping the KKs on the Drift Board and a solid board on my back with Quiver Connectors may be an elegant (albeit expensive) solution to minimize weight on ascent. I'll probably try that early season before I sell them.

that makes sense.  

what year are your NOWs?  I have pilots from a few years back (probably 2018) and they are a huge pain in the ass to change over. sometimes it just works but usually it would have been faster to move the whole binding to the other board.  i saw a guy on SBF drilled out the hold on the kingpin a little.  havent done it so far but they're getting old enough that i might try.  i heard newer ones were better though.


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Posted by: @unsatisfiedus
Posted by: @kimchi

... no specialized hardware.

are you referring to the quiver connectors here, or are there special bolts to hold them on?

Both. The Quiver Connectors has 4 mm hex screws, the ankle and toe strap screws on the bindings have 3 mm hex screws. I have to make sure I have those 2 extra bits with me to tweak anything.

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what year are your NOWs?  I have pilots from a few years back (probably 2018) and they are a huge pain in the ass to change over. sometimes it just works but usually it would have been faster to move the whole binding to the other board.  i saw a guy on SBF drilled out the hold on the kingpin a little.  havent done it so far but they're getting old enough that i might try.  i heard newer ones were better though.

I think my Pilots were 2017, Drives are 2019, and I recently picked up 2022 Jones Apollos. I haven't noticed especially big differences between changing any of them over. Switch-over is always painful if I insert brand new bushings, but gets a lot easier after a few uses. It's still annoying, but IMO less annoying than normal binding switching. I don't need to bust out a tool or putz around with exact binding placement for boot centering, stance adjustment, stance angles, etc.

Also looks like the NOW is updating to Tool-less Kingpin 2.0, although I'm not entirely clear what change they made. Looks like the knob might now have a female piece instead of a male piece and they extended the kingpin shaft? If so might make "threading" everything easier.

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just my experience, the pilots are fine, but there are a lot of other bindings that do what they do.  the drives were special, most other bindings in this range feel sort of dead to me.  no idea on the jones line.  

if some version of the karakorams could do generally what the pilots do for me i'd be all in.  


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fug it.  i'm going in.  i want this for a bunch of weird boards for an hour or so at a time at my local where my sessions probably average about $8.  will grab some of the softer highbacks too and report back on how it works and what works best.  want to get the obscure side of the quiver in more regular rotation.  

also, took another look at the SBF guys NOW mod and its on the base, so it's real easy to replace (i already have a couple), so fug it, stakes are low and upside is high.   ill try that too.  will report back on that as well.  


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Kind of unrelated but branching off this discussion, I would be over the moon if there were some way for now’s design to be incorporated in a split binding. I love my sparks functionally and they ride just fine as well, but the contrast between a solid and split binding grew when I fully switched to drives. It was enough that I started to actively consider a split alternative like drift boards or mtn approach.

I would love to try one of Karakoram’s options with the baseplate padding cover, but I’m far from rich enough to toss that kind of money around just trying something I don’t even use frequently.


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@spenser Well Karakoram is probably the closest around right now, with the active joining and 4 pods or what they call it. I guess Now keeps an eye out for solutions. Problem is it either gets bulky/heavy or loose, neither is good for selling on the current splitboard market.

I’ve found something really close. I mounted Burton Freestyle reflex on my old S-series plates, and it’s really comfy, works about the same as Now but sits higher.    So it’s heavier and higher, and I’m riding a full cambered board,  but since it has the S-series attachments, it feels more like a solid than anything today, and the bindings are comfier, so I call it a win, as long as the plates hold (20 years now).


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