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Posted by: @casjcade

I’ve found something really close. I mounted Burton Freestyle reflex on my old S-series plates, and it’s really comfy, works about the same as Now but sits higher.    So it’s heavier and higher, and I’m riding a full cambered board,  but since it has the S-series attachments, it feels more like a solid than anything today, and the bindings are comfier, so I call it a win, as long as the plates hold (20 years now).

This is interesting. 

I also have been hoping Now comes out with a split option. Their platform seems like the tech would be fairly easily adapted to a split binding offering. (in some ways reminiscent of the Union connect)

Though since the rigidity in the binding is used to provide stability for the split, I wonder if the pivot wouldn't allow more flex in the split and some weirdness either in vibrations and/or wear over time.

Though what @casjcade is describing would have a sort of similar thing (Pics?)

 The Karakoram pads are marketed as preloaded contact points to prevent flexing off the board so what they're trying to do is the opposite where there's always hard contact. Though in use, if there is that much flex and contact loss it may somewhat function as a more direct energy transfer ala Now, but without the kingpin pivot point I think it's just not going to be at all meaningful since the binding frame it's self is absorbing and universally displacing the energy transfer. 

I'd love to see someone do some real world measurements of the difference in energy transfer in bindings across the board. I have my suspicions about some of the tech, but it may be rather marginal when it comes down to it.


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The hard plastic under the toe pillow makes it work. As you can see there's some overhang. As a pow board it doesn't matter, and the plates work as risers, so it still works.

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So comfy pillow to plastic on each side, maybe not as far out as Now, but it works. No highback option:)

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These hooks are bombproof

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Centered attachment for the plates.


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On a tangent related to keeping the splitboard halves together, I'm very interested in the furberg floorboard tech (unfortunately they came out with it 2 years after my furberg split), but this seems quite noticeable difference in split performance for the downhill. I don't think it'd get that gunked up while in skin mode either.

 

But when the board does the work of staying together, it means the bindings can do more of what they're supposed to do - turn the board and provide the right feel underfoot. Any of y'all ride a furberg with this tech? 


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It opens up alot of possibilities with different flexes and bindings on splits. I’ve  only tried the Furberg with the tech, but it didn’t feel wobbly like some softer setups, so it’s a nice step forward. So far I only know of Furberg and Ame using it, but if other brands aren’t looking into it, they are insane. I’ve gotten my other splits similar by using the Plum gear, hooks and middle plate, and adjusting the Spark pucks so they pull the board more together. Hooks, skins and flex transfer have gotten alot better from most brands lately, so it’s looking good.


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Posted by: @onitsukatiger

But when the board does the work of staying together, it means the bindings can do more of what they're supposed to do - turn the board and provide the right feel underfoot. Any of y'all ride a furberg with this tech? 

So a couple of things come to mind...

1. This video is super hyperbolic. Like show me what the two board halves look like on untracked pow in the back country. ( but they don't do that do they ) 

2. Who the fuck rides their split at a resort on hard pack?

3. This is classic over engineering, to solve a problem, that maybe only like 5% of splitboarders complain about. I've been splitting since the mid 90's and have never had anyone I was with complain about this.  I know there are people that do, I'm just saying they are faaaaaar and few in-between. 

4. Like the Union bindings a few years ago, this isn't new, some super small company already did this a few seasons ago and it went nowhere. 

5. In the end, if this "becomes" the new standard, it won't effect me, I go ride pow, I don't go split to ride hardpacked compressed snow. 

 


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@pow_hnd you bring up totally valid points.

 

1. As someone who splits across highly variable snow - yes I don't really experience hard pack - but sierra cement isn't that soft and it cups in the spring. I mostly split in the spring/early summer so I encounter usually harsher snow than you probably do. Maybe I've got a junky split, but I've definitely noticed and felt it when riding - the torsional stiffness is much less than a solid. I can even bend the halves with my hands when carrying my split - it's not that hard to do. To say it never happens, I think you've been super blessed riding soft snow and I'm jealous. 

2. I don't think the intent of the video was to be taken literally. It seemed like demo day footage. Also don't think it's really a sales pitch because 1. splitboarding.eu is a separate entity 2. They've criticized furberg shapes in the past and 3. Furberg has their own product sales video about their floorboard tech. 

3. There's always market to be had and they've had this for a few years now. One doesn't need to have market domination in order to be successful or validated. Look at any product like and see that there's variety in offerings. 

4. Going 'nowhere' has little connection to product like-ability and adoption. There are tons of issues with scaling up and barriers to greater market share that are costly and often times unfair to new manufacturers looking to break into a fairly small/entrenched industry (limited factories, distribution, seasonal, higher cost hobby etc.). 

5. No one's forcing you to use this technology - so you're welcome to not buy a board with it in the future as there will definitely not be 100% adoption across split manufacturers. 


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Posted by: @onitsukatiger

I think you've been super blessed riding soft snow and I'm jealous. 

Yes, I do realize, Wasatch blower, is a unique situation... I grew up riding Cascade cement, so I know that some of the worst snow in the Wasatch, is considered "great" in many other places.

Our prevalence of north facing terrain and low moisture content snow is tough to beat any where, except for Japan. 


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I do some resort based splitting, gotta walk a bit from the top of the lift, can access so much terrain then, so it’s nice to have something that does it all well. The floorboard mostly comes to it’s right with softer flexing boards, like the Furbergs, so it makes sense for them to try. Besides the obvious issues with soft skis on the way up, I see many that could benefit from a softer flex on the way down. I see all these Flagships and Ultracrafts swiveling down the mountain, they have fun, but it doesn’t look that great from a style point of view. Stiff enough boards won’t need it.


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Buddy of mine in Japan started splitting Gentemsticks and installing Fuberg floorboards into them. I'll try to borrow one this season. Let ya know.

p.s.: Even japow gives way to ice, slush, crud, rivulets, etc… in the spring. Have had some skeeeetch experiences haha


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does anyone have or have seen the quiver protector thing (the cover for the connector so you don't scratch the base of a stacked board)?  is it just a piece of foam or is there anything special about it?  


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@unsatisfiedus Nothing i can see is special about it. I thought about cutting out my own foam, but for my travel bag, i just put my thermals/midlayers over the connectors (and then the next board on top) and that does the trick. But to be honest, its more efficient to just travel with them not on the board and then set them up when I land.


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that makes sense.  i'd probably take them off to travel.  thinking about at home stacked in the racking or in the car.  figure two pieces of foam and a rubber band would work just fine.  


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I used some foam from lamp packaging, traced outline, used a box cutter. I'm sure the Quiver Protectors are better shaped and last longer, but I literally just used stuff I had lying around. 

I've travelled with them on and they seem to do the trick. Bigger issue is I don't really care for the bindings, and I need to keep an allen wrench around in case I want to swap on "normal" bindings. 


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@kimchi I swapped the connector screws for regular Philips so that I only needed 1 set of screws for multiple bindings. Additionally something weird with my set of Allen screws in that they wouldn't easily go into my US or furberg boards and I was scared to strip them. 


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I have the quiver protectors, they are just foam cutout with the shape of quiver connectors. I like how precise they are cutout and fit the quiver connector. However I have only bought them when they are on sale because they seem expensive for a piece of foam.


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