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17/01/2020 6:07 pm  

Has someone already posted Burton AK cyclic jacket colorways but somehow I missed?


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17/01/2020 6:51 pm  
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Posted by: @elektropow

How does the Elite Liner compare to the Burton Infinite Ride liner? I guess there's intuition foam under the outer part, so theoretically it could pack in a bit more. Liking the look of the heel hold system. Anyone compared them fit wise? 

More or less the same construction except 32s vents better and obviously fits different. Its effectively a dual density liner with dense intuition on the inside and blown poly-(urethane, ethelyne? Can't remeber) as an outer layer (the orange layer). The orange stuff barely packs in at all over time so the fit needs to be a little more "on" in shop and upsize a half size from where you would normally downsize (i.e. I measure to.a 9.25ish and usually ride 8s, would likely go 8.5 for the Elite liner). It should also last twice-ish as long as a standard liner. 

can i see the results of the vent tests you must have performed?

Anecdotal from selling both. Many a comment from customers about how sweaty the Infinity liner was. Noone has said such regarding the Elite liner. 


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18/01/2020 2:01 am  

Why do everyone in the 32 catalog have to look like big babys och gangbangers?


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18/01/2020 2:02 am  
Posted by: @lalune

Has someone already posted Burton AK cyclic jacket colorways but somehow I missed?

Didn't you buy 2 AK jacket for this season? 😉


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18/01/2020 3:02 am  
Posted by: @drjcv
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Posted by: @notmikebuckley

yeah, because their opinions fucking suck and if they made boards they'd suck too. just a bag of suck!

i know it's been said before, but i'd trust any ELer before some vlog douche.  these dudes take a run in shit conditions 80% of the time and tell you how a board rides

So I am new here, and I'm not trying to start internet shit, unless that's desired then I'll glove up and throw down. And I don't really have stock in this topic one way or the other, I make my own gear decisions. Im also happy to open a thread if people want further discussion on this. 

 

So what, other than maybe you have interaction with people on here, makes you value an EL opinion (of which you all have an active thread for full gripping your topsheets in vinyl thus affecting the ride and weight) over someone that has reportedly ridden roughly 100 or so different boards every year for 10ish years (AngryBoarder)? Does the EL community have an overarching disagreement with enough of his reviews that he's been written off? 

Regarding the lack of faith in the hypothetical angry, goobride, reviewer designed boards vs the likes of say Korua, not all engineers/R&D heads ride like Chilton, J.Clark, or Geno. There are plenty of people designing boards who's riding is generously described as mediocre. And the reverse, plenty of phenomenal riders that couldn't tell ya if they were on rocker, camber, twin, taper... I guess I'm curious what makes you think guys like Wolken are more WORTHY of designing snowboards than a reviewer?

 

On topic, 32 Lashed Digger for 21 is a boot I can get behind. Michelin Sole, TM 2 Liner, TM3 modular insole. And if not already mentioned, Arbor Outerwear is high end, aimed at Patagonia, Arcteryx, etc.

The first fundamental problem that the majority of people don't get (including yourself apparently) is the virtual uselessness of subjective information that all 'reviews' are based on. You simply cannot control all the variables.

The reviewer will not: weigh the same as you, ride the same terrain as you, have the same level of proficiency as you, ride the same conditions as you etc. the list of differences will be an order of magnitude higher than similarities. With this as the case how can their impression possibly be relevant to you

The reviewer will likely not: have taken more than a few runs on the gear, will not have used it in more than once possibly two conditions, cannot possible be able to accurate compare two products because of all the change in the variables etc

There is just nothing objective about any review, ever. 

The second fundamental issue that people don't get  is that snowboards for the most part do not have inherent characteristics that make them ride a certain way regardless of who is using it. they do not possess a universal amount of "edge hold" , or be good at  'switch riding", that's the rider, not the equipment. You cannot objectively measure 'dampness" or "glide" or "float". Of course there will be a large difference in performance between two radically differently designed boards (a soft twin park board vs a heavily tapered stiff freerider) but that's not what we are talking about here.

The third fundamental issue is that people general don't understand that how a snowboard "feels" or performs is a synergy between flex, sidecut, bend and blendzones (contact points) for the most part. Significantly change one of these without adjusting the others  on any given board  will drastically change the characteristics of a board, and possibly make it borderline unrideable. This is why most snowboards from the early 90's were fucking total bullshit. You can't actually wing this shit. You constantly here fucking dorks say shit like that they would like a "tighter sidecut" or "more effective edge" or 'stiffer" or something but motherfucker what about the way that shit blends together? there is a reason 99% of snowboards share a tiny range of sidecuts and if you make it way deep you better fucking mellow out those blend zones. For the most part a snowboard is a snowboard is a snowboard and differ more in marketing copy more than anything.

The facts is you need to try different snowboards over a long period of time to find out what you like most. Or if you're going to wildly swing around in design choices then you should put time in on those boards to learn how to get the most out of them. A good snowboarder (and normal person) isn't going to fucking complain that they're snowboard "isn't damp" enough today or claim they would have landed that air if they had 2cm more effective edge.

It blows my mind that anyone would put their trust into and/or believe any random dumbfuck that will stand in front of a camera after taking 2 runs on a board and  regurgitate the marketing materials or just blather on about stupid shit while holding and board and then make their purchase decision based on that. Its INSANE to me.

'The first fundamental problem that you don't get' is that you get a wider perception of how a more "extreme shape/construction" handles vs a "basic snowboard" the more boards you try - that's the whole point of reviewing. No one is saying how it will handle for you, but how it handles in comparison to other snowboards. Take a Burton Custom for example, it will probably work for anyone who can ride a snowboard without being too extreme in any way - it just feels good and does what it's supposed to do. That's why it's been one of the best sellers and continues to be with its different profiles as well.

Obviously, the more subtle the changes the harder it is to take someone else's word for it, but saying you can't listen to anyone saying a snowboard should behave a certain way for you is pretty ignorant. Imagine being in a room with JG and DDD, are you saying you can't trust a thing they tell you about how a shape may feel? 

About the third fundamental issue... Are you aware of how snowboard shapes are developed? Obviously you can't randomly change everything and expect it to behave an exact certain way, but yes... You can make smaller modifications depending on how you want it to feel and more times than not it does what you expected. Everything might not work in harmony in "how it blends together" every time but there isn't some secret formula we're locked into that can't be changed. You have a window to stay within - sure, but that window is bigger than you seem to think. I may be wrong and all those years trying prototypes and producing boards with the technician at the factory of 24 years was all lucky shots. 

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18/01/2020 6:11 am  

why are you comparing JG and DD to YouTube snowboard reviewers 

quick someone post the gilson line up so we can laugh at something together 


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18/01/2020 7:54 am  
Posted by: @unsuspected
Posted by: @lalune

Has someone already posted Burton AK cyclic jacket colorways but somehow I missed?

Didn't you buy 2 AK jacket for this season? 😉

Wife didn’t know, so they don’t count 🙂


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18/01/2020 8:47 am  
Posted by: @notmikebuckley

why are you comparing JG and DD to YouTube snowboard reviewers 

quick someone post the gilson line up so we can laugh at something together 

Because of this: 

"snowboards do not have inherent characteristics that make them ride a certain way regardless of who is using it. they do not possess a universal amount of "edge hold" , or be good at  'switch riding", that's the rider, not the equipment. You cannot objectively measure 'dampness" or "glide" or "float"."

If DD tells me a board rides super damp, I'm going to assume it rides more damp than the majority I have tried in the past. He has obviously tried enough boards to be able to claim that it feels more damp than the majority of the boards on the market. 

That's why I'm saying that statement doesn't make sense and that I do trust some reviews to an extent, but I am also more likely to trust a more experienced snowboarder. With that said, I wouldn't trust some youtube snowboard reviewer if he's trash at riding regardless of how many boards he has tried. 


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18/01/2020 6:23 pm  
Posted by: @coldis

Because of this: 

"snowboards do not have inherent characteristics that make them ride a certain way regardless of who is using it. they do not possess a universal amount of "edge hold" , or be good at  'switch riding", that's the rider, not the equipment. You cannot objectively measure 'dampness" or "glide" or "float"."

If DD tells me a board rides super damp, I'm going to assume it rides more damp than the majority I have tried in the past. He has obviously tried enough boards to be able to claim that it feels more damp than the majority of the boards on the market. 

That's why I'm saying that statement doesn't make sense and that I do trust some reviews to an extent, but I am also more likely to trust a more experienced snowboarder. With that said, I wouldn't trust some youtube snowboard reviewer if he's trash at riding regardless of how many boards he has tried. 

 

Posted by: @coldis

 

'The first fundamental problem that you don't get' is that you get a wider perception of how a more "extreme shape/construction" handles vs a "basic snowboard" the more boards you try - that's the whole point of reviewing. No one is saying how it will handle for you, but how it handles in comparison to other snowboards. Take a Burton Custom for example, it will probably work for anyone who can ride a snowboard without being too extreme in any way - it just feels good and does what it's supposed to do. That's why it's been one of the best sellers and continues to be with its different profiles as well.

Obviously, the more subtle the changes the harder it is to take someone else's word for it, but saying you can't listen to anyone saying a snowboard should behave a certain way for you is pretty ignorant. Imagine being in a room with JG and DDD, are you saying you can't trust a thing they tell you about how a shape may feel? 

About the third fundamental issue... Are you aware of how snowboard shapes are developed? Obviously you can't randomly change everything and expect it to behave an exact certain way, but yes... You can make smaller modifications depending on how you want it to feel and more times than not it does what you expected. Everything might not work in harmony in "how it blends together" every time but there isn't some secret formula we're locked into that can't be changed. You have a window to stay within - sure, but that window is bigger than you seem to think. I may be wrong and all those years trying prototypes and producing boards with the technician at the factory of 24 years was all lucky shots. 

 

 

While I tend to agree with you to small ( very small ) extent, there is problems with what you're saying, and a lot of what Doc saying is true. ( I hate to say that ) 

I seem to remember DD saying that the Nug series was the future back in 2012 and that it was going to change snowboarding and that's all he was gonna ride moving forward ( which he kinda did for a season or two, even splitting ) but obviously we all know that didn't really pan out and the Nug series didn't last too long. I though it was junk ands bullshit from the get go, but obviously DD had his "subjective" feelings about the series and was preaching the gospel on them. Not many agreed and they are no where to be found these days...

So, obviously his claims need to be taken with just as big of a grain of salt as anyone else's...  It doesn't matter who the fuck you are, how long you've been riding, wether you're in the industry, wether you're making ( or prototyping ) decks or if you are on an R&D program.

It's all subjective. 

I was on an R&D program for quite a few years for a major MFG, it was crazy how much difference there was in the feedback from all the other people on the exact same product, and yea  it had to do with all the things Doc listed. Different people, weight, height, feet, style, experience, the place you rode, etc, etc, etc..  Sure, sometimes we did all zero in on a certain deck as a winner, but even then there were times when we would list widely different reasons for it being a winner, so yea. 

Subjective. 


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18/01/2020 6:31 pm  

I used to shit on the GoodRide 4-5 years ago when their riding skills were terribly bad. But I have to say James' riding has gotten better recently. He can carve, ride switch, do a few flat tricks, and get those side hits - and that's better than 80-90% of shit riders I see on the mountain. For park boards, he's got Nick who seems very technical with tricks. 

Here's an example vid:

30s- 1:08

He's clearly not the best snowboarder you'd see in the mountain, and admits so. But I trust his basic characterization of a snowboard based on the amount of boards he rides per year. I actually trust him more than angry now, because angry has such a huge bias against stiff boards and never really accounts for snowboard sizes that he demos and shit on it solely because it was clearly not the right size for him. TheGoodRide is at least transparent with their riding skills and are not afraid to show them in vids. I think they serve the purpose of recommending snowboards to beginners, intermediates, and people who just don't have time to research/demo snowboards.


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18/01/2020 7:01 pm  
Posted by: @pow_hnd
 

 

 

While I tend to agree with you to small ( very small ) extent, there is problems with what you're saying, and a lot of what Doc saying is true. ( I hate to say that ) 

I seem to remember DD saying that the Nug series was the future back in 2012 and that it was going to change snowboarding and that's all he was gonna ride moving forward ( which he kinda did for a season or two, even splitting ) but obviously we all know that didn't really pan out and the Nug series didn't last too long. I though it was junk ands bullshit from the get go, but obviously DD had his "subjective" feelings about the series and was preaching the gospel on them. Not many agreed and they are no where to be found these days...

So, obviously his claims need to be taken with just as big of a grain of salt as anyone else's...  It doesn't matter who the fuck you are, how long you've been riding, wether you're in the industry, wether you're making ( or prototyping ) decks or if you are on an R&D program.

It's all subjective. 

I was on an R&D program for quite a few years for a major MFG, it was crazy how much difference there was in the feedback from all the other people on the exact same product, and yea  it had to do with all the things Doc listed. Different people, weight, height, feet, style, experience, the place you rode, etc, etc, etc..  Sure, sometimes we did all zero in on a certain deck as a winner, but even then there were times when we would list widely different reasons for it being a winner, so yea. 

Subjective. 

I think you may have misunderstood my point. I'm not saying every snowboard will feel the same for everyone - obviously it differs from a person's attributes, riding conditions etc. However I will put a certain amount of value in an experienced tester's word for it if he says a board feels more damp than most boards, feels snappy or even has a faster base as it will, in my experience, at least not feel less than what I am used to.

The Nug was extreme in its construction and thus obviously not liked by everyone - but a good example for this topic. If someone were to claim that the Nug felt pretty easy to throw around and stable for its small size - would you agree? Most people would as it's a 10cm shorter board than you're used to/normally ride and stiffer+wider than most/pretty much all boards in the 140's range. Of course it will feel stable for its size when it's wider and stiffer and of it will in most cases feel easier to throw around since it's so small. Will I like that? Not sure. Can I expect it to feel small and stable for its smaller size? I would agree that yes, I could expect it to. 

Nobody should expect a miracle from any snowboard, but while building a snowboard you can change certain characteristics and expect certain results - even if it won't be perfect for everyone all the time, it will probably make a difference for most.  

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18/01/2020 7:40 pm  

This thread is getting lame. 


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18/01/2020 9:33 pm  
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This thread is getting lame. 

I agree.. take this conversation to another thread. Keep it on topic- 2021 gear! 


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19/01/2020 3:45 am  

so that Cartel X looks pretty good and thinkin about going back to disks.  Finding EST has some angle limitations and I like to crank my front foot more than I’m able to.  


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19/01/2020 4:01 am  

@fiddle

I think I prefer discs. I wish Burton would still make one regular disc binding (like they did a couple of seasons back with the 'Classic' which was just a Cartel). I like EST bindings with the hinge, but I find they feel slightly different, something about the distribution of pressure from the straps doesn't feel quite the same as with disc bindings. 


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