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Thoughts on new Burton Deep Daze 154 and 159 vs Moss Wingpin 154 and 159?

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How heavy are you? The smaller DD is amazing in pow but a tad small for me at this size. For comparison, I only have Moss PQ54 and it has more float for me.

Otherwise I ride Fish 61 as my big pow board and Pencil 64 for split. My weight w/o a pack is about 175 I think


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About the same as you. It's not for me, yet at least. They just look very similar. The Wingpin don't have all the 3D stuff, and I can't tell if the 3D on that Burton model will do much. Besides that, Moss has a wider waist and then of course wider sidecut, but has some camber. Maybe they feel similar since the Burtons have a flat profile but tighter sidecut. Hard to tell with flex, but guess the Wingpins are stiffer.

I ride boards from 147 to 170 atm, have 5 boards from 164 to 170, so I can always choose one of those if it's really deep. Might be riding the Fish 3D 151, Moss Mini Long (168) and Burton Cascade 168 most in powder this year.

 


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Nice 👍 

The Deep Daze feels much more playful and loose that my PQ54 or Fish 3D 61. I’d say they ride differently enough for me to justify keeping. I think you would enjoy the larger DD more.


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Not sure if this has already been discussed, don't really recall. I guess the B riders use a diff set of bolts/washers for their EST setup? Given the slight irritating frequency of the binders sliding with the default black set of bolts + washers they give, no matter how tight you make it.

A friend of mine pointed it out before, almost all of their main pros seem to use diff ones from the ones they give out the box 🤷🏻‍♂️.

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eh, i would assume they’re the the same hardware, they just don’t give the sample/proto hardware the black coating. 


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I’ve never had any come loose, M5 nor M6. What are you saying is different in the picture? Can’t really see anything other than not being black.


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I’ve never had any come loose, M5 nor M6. What are you saying is different in the picture? Can’t really see anything other than not being black.

Mainly asking, really. If it's actually a thing; them using a diff set as they never seem to have the black default ones given with EST bindings, on their own decks. In case it was already known thing 🤷🏻‍♂️. 


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Oh, gotcha. I’ve never heard anything, but also had never noticed that. That is weird when it comes to hardware.


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Yo gear nerds, was reading the old quiver of two/daily driver threads from long ago and the Con Artist came up a bunch. I never got to try one, but what fills the void/replaces it?


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Off the top - nothing from Burton this year has the combo of 20mm taper and similar level of softness and shape. I picked the HTH as a daily driver for this season. The way it’s been - Mystery Fish, then Landlord, now Juice Wagon - expect a CA in the future 😁


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Yo gear nerds, was reading the old quiver of two/daily driver threads from long ago and the Con Artist came up a bunch. I never got to try one, but what fills the void/replaces it?

the thing about the con artist is that it was short but not a true short-fat. i ran that deck up the channel pretty far to give it more tail, rode it a ton locally on our mellow hills and in the park. super tight sidecut that makes ziggin and zaggin a ton of fun, good amount of camber, slim rails, blah blah. if anyone tells you it "rides big" they are fucking dreaming. it floats well for its size and is a blast in trees. lots of taper, just a lot of fun to rip around on. the 158 is awesome and will never leave my quiver and I think a 155 version would be the perfect daily for me.

not much i've found to replace it, my united shapes 153 voyager is kinda close spec wise but build quality is no where near the CA. quite a bit softer than the CA too. not trying to shit on US, but surprised how many ezloungers like their decks.


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On US, I’ve thought that too about some of their boards. A lot have been soft, which of course is fine if it’s your thing. My buddy had one (I forget which) and never really liked it. I kept telling him to get a larger cadet. That’s why I’m all about the biggest orbit, properly stiff and a beast. To me, build quality seems top notch. I didn’t have an OG CA, but the first XX and a few other FT decks around that time, and didn’t think they were any better 🤷‍♂️ definitely good, though.

CA “sidecut feel” was too tight for me. I like speed and it wanted to skid on groomers - felt like it wanted a much smaller circle and less speed, so things didn’t match up. BUT, in pow it was incredibly fun. XX was definitely stiffer than OG from the sound of it. I found it really stabile and powerful for the compact size. Loved the aesthetic.


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Yo gear nerds, was reading the old quiver of two/daily driver threads from long ago and the Con Artist came up a bunch. I never got to try one, but what fills the void/replaces it?

the thing about the con artist is that it was short but not a true short-fat. i ran that deck up the channel pretty far to give it more tail, rode it a ton locally on our mellow hills and in the park. super tight sidecut that makes ziggin and zaggin a ton of fun, good amount of camber, slim rails, blah blah. if anyone tells you it "rides big" they are fucking dreaming. it floats well for its size and is a blast in trees. lots of taper, just a lot of fun to rip around on. the 158 is awesome and will never leave my quiver and I think a 155 version would be the perfect daily for me.

not much i've found to replace it, my united shapes 153 voyager is kinda close spec wise but build quality is no where near the CA. quite a bit softer than the CA too. not trying to shit on US, but surprised how many ezloungers like their decks.

Damn sounds great. I spend a lot of days riding dense and brushy east coast trees then move to the park in the afternoon when they get tracked out. And it would serve me on trips too, but maybe I should just get a used full out pow board for that.

There are similar concepts on the market, the Salomon Dancehaul caught my eye (albeit a bit wider), but I just don't see myself buying a Salomon. I still like what Endeavor is doing and they have the Scout which is meant to be sized down. I always wanted a FT board though and I like to drool over stuff I can't get, but maybe @ivo is right and it'll get re-released.

 


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@spenser i think why i liked it so much was because of the tight sidecut for my day to day riding - locally we have 600 feet of vertical and it was a perfect match. but yeah, at speed, i much prefer the 58 and even that has a pretty tight sidecut


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