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I love all this nerd talk.   Spenser I think that you will find the Koruas have that same magical locked in feeling as a fish in carves, even with all that taper.  That is the feeling I got on a Korua (first on the Apollo then on the Pencil) that I have not really had on another board.  The apollo was especially surprising that I could ride it on some steep terrain with that short tail and it still didn't feel washy like I expected it to.  I definitely did not feel like the Korua wanted to turn, but allowed you to gradually work your way into the turn and really flow down the mountain.   My board whoring has gotten the better of me a couple of times and I have sold them, but going back for a TF 157 +  here soon.

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“Gradually” and “flow down the mountain” is my jam 👍


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@qurph and I have said for years that there is a magical way the fish locks into a carve that’s different from other boards. We can really feel it through the rear of the board, despite the large taper and what not. Slices like it’s locked on rails! Different camber profile & not wide, but this talk reminded me of that…

Cutting deepest groomer trenches on a "pow" board really feelsgoodman. White/gold & blackfish were especially blessed with mad camber and big mtn flex from front foot back.

@Spencer said it, there's something uniquely magical thru the entire sequence of a fishy hard carve - from initiation to the projection out. Maybe the most amazing thing is that this holds true even at AK heli 6th gear speed. So stable.

 

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And to be clear, I didn't feel that the Koruas were the liveliest boards (as has been mentioned on here by many) but if we are just talking about pure turning and not playfulness or any other characteristic you want a board to have, it doesn't get any better.

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Yeah I'm still thinking about an Otto for next season. 


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Exactly why I think the standard line sounds great for me. I’m really not into boards that feel springy and lively or light, I like more of a burly, sturdy feeling. Those that are not deflected by terrain as much as others, perhaps. Makes me think of riding the hammerhead.

@qurph Totally agreed. The goldfish is an incredible board. I brought it with me to Baker a couple years ago, along with my mullair 61. Goldfish 160 is absolutely more aggressive, stiffer, and a ripping carver. Honestly for boards in that category & beyond, they are probably some of the best ever made.

The coolest thing about the fish in this conversation is that it was one of the direct inspirations for fullbag, and we also know Maurer spent a lot of time on it before they started Korua. Fish is the OG.


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Posted by: @spenser
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I understand both sides, and ultimately for me, I just like the temperament of a larger radius, not as picky about the way they are blended, nor is it easy to pick that apart due to all other factors. I do like a mellow entry in the nose because it leaves a very mild temperament, in no rush to turn, and I find them to behave most like the larger part of the radius, in general. All the nerdy stuff aside, it’s a simple as a board having a larger radius temperament and not “suggesting” to me that I should turn. I don’t like when a board feels like it wants to turn all the time, I like it smooth and easy, locked in when I decide to turn. I know some of you have experience with a few of these different shapes, so do you feel like they do that? Do they want to turn, or is it more of a steady downhill rhythm that locks in when you choose? Not sure if that is the right way to word the question.

If you are wondering if they are twitchy like a lot of Burtons, the answer is no. 

The board only feels like it does what you want it to. It doesn’t want to be only on edge or want to only be flat based.

It does what you want it to. 

I feel it’s for sure the steady rhythm that locks in when you choose. 

Yep, that’s really the specific point I was wondering about, I guess. Thanks, good to hear. I wasn’t worried, just curious when I got this response.

I feel like the clear choice for me is pencil 64, but I also really like the idea of the TF 57, same “body” as you mentioned. I’m starting to lean toward the tranny, though…

Your comment in bold describes the way the Dart turns to a tee.  Just my subjective opinion, but all boards seem to "prefer" (for lack of a better word) to make a particular turn shape, some more pronounced than others.  For example, to me a Burton Deep Thinker and a Burton HTH could not turn more differently.  Despite both being Burton sidecuts, the HTH seems designed to make quick tight turns, while the DT is much more neutral and stable.  

The number one feel to me while riding the Dart is how neutral it is, underfoot it feels like it's just waiting for rider input.  It doesn't do a damn thing until you tell it to, and then it'll make whatever turn shape you want, it really seems to have no "preference".  I've loved fishes forever but one thing the fish sucked at was when I had to follow one of my idiot skier buddies straight-lining at warp speed, because in that scenario once you hit a certain speed, the fish will start to drift off-line.  No one, including me, would care how a fish straight-lines, I only mention it because the Dart in the same situation will not really drift, I can only assume due to how they've drawn up the sidecut.  Having said that, the Dart can still make a ripping 90 degree turn too, but it won't "help" you pull it into that shape. 

Also, as I think Smitty said, the absolute last word I'd use to describe a Korua is "lively".  But because they have all that camber, they'll load and unload exactly how you ask them to.  Again it's just another attribute that makes them feel so neutral to rider input.  I'm not saying Korua is the end-all be-all, because I like lively boards too.  But they ARE different and I think that there are probably a lot of riders that might not really like them.  Bottom line, the only way to find out if they're for you is to ride one in different conditions, because they really come alive in new snow.  


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I can understand the differences between a fish and one of these boards, but I have never felt that “drift” described with the fish. Which models were you riding?

“Waiting for rider input” and “neutral” are also things I like to hear. Thanks for answering my questions everyone, still sounds like one of these is right up my alley. At the very least, definitely need to try at some point.


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156 Fish Ltd, and I'm talking 60+ mph.  You will have to subtly rock from edge-to-edge to follow someone straight-lining at that speed, or they'll pull away.  The sidecut will start to kick in, even trying to stay as flat based as possible.  And it's not like this type of run is even fun (fucking skiers).  


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Ah, I can understand that. Probably more true on the 56 than the 60, as my goldfish really is a freeride beast, locked in. But, maybe in the past when I have been full speed straightlining at times, it’s such a subtle dance from edge to edge to keep it on track that I don’t notice 🤷‍♂️

 

My 09 LTD 56 is really the one I find most magical, even though I prefer the others more. The camber is very low, nearly flat, and the whole nose is lifted. Yet… somehow, it just shreds on its rail like mad. I even found the same to be true on the FT fishcuit 48, which did kinda feel like a toy, yet it still railed.


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Is it time yet to announce the off-fishial 2021 Fishfest hosted by EL? All unoffish'l fish types  invited too! 😋 


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So what I am gathering from recent comments is I do not need to spend money on a Korua since I own a 56 Gold Fish??

 

JK - I am definitely buying a korua!  now to decide between the 56 CR or 54 TF 🤔


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My 09 LTD 56 is really the one I find most magical, even though I prefer the others more. The camber is very low, nearly flat, and the whole nose is lifted. Yet… somehow, it just shreds on its rail like mad. I even found the same to be true on the FT fishcuit 48, which did kinda feel like a toy, yet it still railed.

Agree 100%.  Before it's untimely demise, I would put my 09 56 LTD at the number one spot of all-time greatest snowboards (for me).  I've had the most and the best powder days ever on that board, but it also totally shredded ass on groomers as you said.  Although I'm also still bummed that I never picked up a black scales 160 too, I'm guessing that version would be more similar to your goldfish, although what do I know?

#fishfanfolyfe


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So what I am gathering from recent comments is I do not need to spend money on a Korua since I own a 56 Gold Fish??

 

JK - I am definitely buying a korua!  now to decide between the 56 CR or 54 TF 🤔

I’d go TF 54. 


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My 09 LTD 56 is really the one I find most magical, even though I prefer the others more. The camber is very low, nearly flat, and the whole nose is lifted. Yet… somehow, it just shreds on its rail like mad. I even found the same to be true on the FT fishcuit 48, which did kinda feel like a toy, yet it still railed.

Agree 100%.  Before it's untimely demise, I would put my 09 56 LTD at the number one spot of all-time greatest snowboards (for me).  I've had the most and the best powder days ever on that board, but it also totally shredded ass on groomers as you said.  Although I'm also still bummed that I never picked up a black scales 160 too, I'm guessing that version would be more similar to your goldfish, although what do I know?

#fishfanfolyfe

Ah, so yours was the 09 as well? In my head for some reason I was picturing a goldfish (same build as blackscale). That explains it further… if you were to get the 56 goldfish, you would notice the difference. Actual camber, extends about halfway between front foot and nose contact, and a little stiffer. They rip! I think you would find the same love as your 09, but with some of the camber-lockdown of a Korua

As for if you need a Korua if you already have a goldfish, the obvious EL answer is yes. The real answer is that they will certainly have their own flavor, I just mean to say they could be put in a very similar category in many ways.


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