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01/04/2020 4:04 pm  

Yep mine was the 09 too (RIP), and you used the correct adjective for that board in calling it "magical".  Having said that, it's possible that I might like the goldfish even more based on your description of the camber profile, considering that I'm a heavy front-foot edge setter (most of the time anyway).


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01/04/2020 4:27 pm  

I think you would love it! It feels like a cambered board, whereas I don’t think I would say that about the 09. It has that same fishy turn magic, but the added grip and stability we love about camber. The 160 really is quite the freeride board. I feel like one could win GS races on it & not feel under-gunned.

 


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01/04/2020 5:40 pm  

Well, Koruavirus was the final push that got me to list my fusion for sale.


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01/04/2020 6:11 pm  

Okay fucking great, now I'm in the hunt for a 160 goldfish.  Oh well, there's nothing else to do anyway.

At least you can always rely on EL to deliver in times of stress.  


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01/04/2020 6:16 pm  

I am super pumped to get on my Dart 56 this season (providing mountains and national parks open) and all this talk only amplifies it. Having had a Fishcuit 150 blackscales, 156 fish blackscales and ridden a retro fish and blunt diamond I have no doubt it will be great. I still really need to get on my Dupraz 5'5 MW as I still haven't ridden it. Hopefully I can compare the Dupraz and Korua!! Kor-ua20!

BTW there is a goldfish 160 locally fs for $250.. tempting!!


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01/04/2020 6:33 pm  
Posted by: @payaso

Okay fucking great, now I'm in the hunt for a 160 goldfish.  Oh well, there's nothing else to do anyway.

At least you can always rely on EL to deliver in times of stress.  

Same size 56 would still deliver the results, but as someone who always had the 56 and now 160s, it is just that much more of a ripper. Larger sidecut, more edge, etc... if it were 269 instead of 258 the specs would be virtually identical to a Korua


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01/04/2020 6:35 pm  
Posted by: @shredder

I am super pumped to get on my Dart 56 this season (providing mountains and national parks open) and all this talk only amplifies it. Having had a Fishcuit 150 blackscales, 156 fish blackscales and ridden a retro fish and blunt diamond I have no doubt it will be great. I still really need to get on my Dupraz 5'5 MW as I still haven't ridden it. Hopefully I can compare the Dupraz and Korua!! Kor-ua20!

BTW there is a goldfish 160 locally fs for $250.. tempting!!

Before the early end here in the eastern US, my best days of the season were on the Dart.  It's great on hardpack, but once you get it in 6-8" or more of new snow, you'll have a boner for two weeks straight.  Good luck hiding that. 

When does the season typically start in AU?


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01/04/2020 7:38 pm  
Posted by: @payaso
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I am super pumped to get on my Dart 56 this season (providing mountains and national parks open) and all this talk only amplifies it. Having had a Fishcuit 150 blackscales, 156 fish blackscales and ridden a retro fish and blunt diamond I have no doubt it will be great. I still really need to get on my Dupraz 5'5 MW as I still haven't ridden it. Hopefully I can compare the Dupraz and Korua!! Kor-ua20!

BTW there is a goldfish 160 locally fs for $250.. tempting!!

Before the early end here in the eastern US, my best days of the season were on the Dart.  It's great on hardpack, but once you get it in 6-8" or more of new snow, you'll have a boner for two weeks straight.  Good luck hiding that. 

When does the season typically start in AU?

Haha nice that's what you want to hear!

The higher altitude resorts usually open mid-end of June but there is still no real idea if any will open or not due to corona. I have local mountains I can hike (snowshoe) but they are in a national park and at the moment they are closed so hopefully they will open them by the time the snow is here. Just have to cross fingers and wait.


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01/04/2020 7:51 pm  
Posted by: @elektropow
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Korua sidecut blend (kinda) explained. So, a bit tighter in the front? Interesting. I think Mig does that on some of his boards.

When it comes to our radius, we use a specific KORUA sidecut. Its the best to be explained as a 3D radius sidecut that rooted in the raceboard/alpineboard era. Our shaper Jerry has shaped 25 years for different board brands and brought this certain ingredient along to install it in KORUA boards. Beacause of the decent taper our boards have, 3D sidecut means that the radius has 3 different stages; long, mid and short along the edge.... The long radius you will get more around the backbinding and for reaching the short radius you will have to get your weight in front of the front binding.. Therefore a certain ridingstyle is necessary..”

This is why their boards don’t feel washy in the tail even with such a huge amount of taper. They feel extremely locked in considering the taper that they have. 

Usually it's the other way around, a tighter sidecut is used toward the tail to reduce washy washy on tapered boards. While I can understand how Korua's sidecut philosophy would work for a nice turning temperament, I don't get how something completely opposite to the usual is now so obviously the reason they feel so locked in. Maybe there's other factors? Core, edge tuning etc.

I'm not questioning their turning properties but rather the reasoning.

Actually it is not unusual, let alone the opposite of usual. Plenty of 'turny' (including freeride) boards have tight sidecuts towards the nose.

Think of turny/surfy boards that want to go across the fall line vs. more straight line chargers.

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Think about it. A tapered tail is easier to push around, given it is narrower than the nose, so between the two nose/tail it is the part that will have the least resistance. So, you don’t give it a tighter ( quicker ) radius, that would just exaggerate an already exaggerated property. So you give it a longer sidecut radius in the tail to offset the lesser resistance of the taper. So on groomers it rides much more like a board without that amount of taper ( in terms of being “squirrelly” ) but then you get it in pow and you get all the advantages of the tail sinking,  easing the work your back leg has to do and also making it much more loose in the tail when it’s in pow and thus easier and quicker turning.

The point about board with a tight sidecut in the tail feeling squirrelly to many people is correct. The rest of this paragraph not - the physics do not work like that.

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The tighter ( shorter ) sidecut radius in the nose is also what makes their decks at 269 in the waist feel and turn like decks much narrower. 

A big wide ass nose and waist with the initial sidecut being the longest radius is gonna have a very slow turn initiation. So you counter that with the tightest radius in the nose. 

Then on top of that you add a shit load of camber and you have a deck that locks in when you put it on edge. 

 

This is mostly true.

 

 


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01/04/2020 7:53 pm  
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@qurph and I have said for years that there is a magical way the fish locks into a carve that’s different from other boards. We can really feel it through the rear of the board, despite the large taper and what not. Slices like it’s locked on rails! Different camber profile & not wide, but this talk reminded me of that…

Easily the best part about the fish.  The tail locks in perfectly at the start of the turn and it’s really noticeable on the heel side.


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01/04/2020 10:02 pm  
Posted by: @blackbnr32
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@qurph and I have said for years that there is a magical way the fish locks into a carve that’s different from other boards. We can really feel it through the rear of the board, despite the large taper and what not. Slices like it’s locked on rails! Different camber profile & not wide, but this talk reminded me of that…

Easily the best part about the fish.  The tail locks in perfectly at the start of the turn and it’s really noticeable on the heel side.

you guys are making me extremely depressed that I did not get a single day on the fish this season - was having too much fun on my simple pleasures i guess.  Im scared if I buy a korua the fish wont make it out next year either!


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02/04/2020 1:55 am  
Posted by: @sgboarder
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Posted by: @pow_hnd
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Korua sidecut blend (kinda) explained. So, a bit tighter in the front? Interesting. I think Mig does that on some of his boards.

When it comes to our radius, we use a specific KORUA sidecut. Its the best to be explained as a 3D radius sidecut that rooted in the raceboard/alpineboard era. Our shaper Jerry has shaped 25 years for different board brands and brought this certain ingredient along to install it in KORUA boards. Beacause of the decent taper our boards have, 3D sidecut means that the radius has 3 different stages; long, mid and short along the edge.... The long radius you will get more around the backbinding and for reaching the short radius you will have to get your weight in front of the front binding.. Therefore a certain ridingstyle is necessary..”

This is why their boards don’t feel washy in the tail even with such a huge amount of taper. They feel extremely locked in considering the taper that they have. 

Usually it's the other way around, a tighter sidecut is used toward the tail to reduce washy washy on tapered boards. While I can understand how Korua's sidecut philosophy would work for a nice turning temperament, I don't get how something completely opposite to the usual is now so obviously the reason they feel so locked in. Maybe there's other factors? Core, edge tuning etc.

I'm not questioning their turning properties but rather the reasoning.

Actually it is not unusual, let alone the opposite of usual. Plenty of 'turny' (including freeride) boards have tight sidecuts towards the nose.

Think of turny/surfy boards that want to go across the fall line vs. more straight line chargers..

 

 

I'm sure there's plenty of boards like that. If it's quite usual I'd love to hear you list a few freeride specific ones since that type of design isn't usually listed on paper. Nitro and Yes are one lf the few that are open about using a tighter arc in the tail, but having talked to a few freeride enthusiasts and insiders it seems to be a preferred and "usual" concept. I definitely get the squirrely feel, but that can be offset by a bunch of other factors, like a bit of tail rocker for instance.


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04/04/2020 4:56 pm  

Chatted a little more with Lino, asked him directly about the tranny 57 vs pencil 64, what actual differences are there, given that the “body” is the same on paper. I know it’s been talked about here, and probably confirmed between these two specifically, but he confirmed again those two are the same board with different nose & tail kicks. Given that, tranny is my first choice now. Normally it would be the pencil due to aesthetic, but I want something that fits into pockets better, something I will ride for sidehits and in the spring when I used to ride a twin. I already have the hammerhead, blunt 62, and goldfish 60 for big taper/long/swallow boards.

Sell me your TF57!


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04/04/2020 5:42 pm  

Did a little spending today. Dart 160, inbound!


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04/04/2020 5:56 pm  

If I get a TF, then I will get a pencil, and then it will be the dart. That’s my Koruavirus Kuiver


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