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New shape, think it’s called the Knife?

I hear there will be a Bulldozer + next season… 

Hope they stiffen the nose, adjust the flex abit along with making it lighter. It's that kinda board for me. Haul ass through powder, and then really flex the tail up against a wall of snow, without bouncing back right away.


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Cafe Racer 64 arrived from Germany via UPS last night. Stoked to get it on snow this weekend! Overall looks dope. Hand flexes a touch stiffer than I was expecting. Something about the wax or base material has a HEAVY petrochemical smell, so I threw some Wend wax on there that smells vaguely cocoa-ish. The result was a stinky combination of cocoa and nasty chemical smell. This one is living in the garage for the time being... 

After waxing and brushing out the base, it looks nice. Feels like it should be fast. Got a few inches of snow in the forecast for Sunday, so planning to take it out then on refreshed groomers and see how deeply I can get into turns on it.


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Wow, that got there quick?! Enjoy.


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Posted by: @matty

Cafe Racer 64 arrived from Germany via UPS last night. Stoked to get it on snow this weekend! Overall looks dope. Hand flexes a touch stiffer than I was expecting. Something about the wax or base material has a HEAVY petrochemical smell, so I threw some Wend wax on there that smells vaguely cocoa-ish. The result was a stinky combination of cocoa and nasty chemical smell. This one is living in the garage for the time being... 

After waxing and brushing out the base, it looks nice. Feels like it should be fast. Got a few inches of snow in the forecast for Sunday, so planning to take it out then on refreshed groomers and see how deeply I can get into turns on it.

Ditto. Mine is effectively new (I still hear fiberglass breaking in when I hand flex it), and I was surprised how burly it felt for a 7/10 stiffness rating. Out of box the CR's stiffer than Dupraz 6' and US Orbit (both probably ~10 days on them). Curious where it'll break in at.

Debating whether to bring mine up on Sunday or not. Coverage was pretty darn bare this past weekend and Saturday is looking like dust on crust. Groomers should be set for Sunday, though.


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Posted by: @matty

Cafe Racer 64 arrived from Germany via UPS last night. Stoked to get it on snow this weekend! Overall looks dope. Hand flexes a touch stiffer than I was expecting. Something about the wax or base material has a HEAVY petrochemical smell, so I threw some Wend wax on there that smells vaguely cocoa-ish. The result was a stinky combination of cocoa and nasty chemical smell. This one is living in the garage for the time being... 

After waxing and brushing out the base, it looks nice. Feels like it should be fast. Got a few inches of snow in the forecast for Sunday, so planning to take it out then on refreshed groomers and see how deeply I can get into turns on it.

So yeah the red base on my Pencil split was also super weird and goopy and smelly. Had to do a deep clean (Wend base cleaner, craping, brushing, then waxing) to get it to be normal (this was two years ago). Was totally fine then on.

I just had it base-ground and edges tuned by a local (Japanese job!) a few weeks back and now it's sweeter than ever.

Runs smooth

(If anyone can tell me why I seem to wobble during turns, I'd appreciate it. Technique? Strength? Should I be pointed downhill more and control speed some other way? Maybe I am lazy on carves? Hrm…) 


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Cafe Racer 64 arrived from Germany via UPS last night. Stoked to get it on snow this weekend! Overall looks dope. Hand flexes a touch stiffer than I was expecting. Something about the wax or base material has a HEAVY petrochemical smell, so I threw some Wend wax on there that smells vaguely cocoa-ish. The result was a stinky combination of cocoa and nasty chemical smell. This one is living in the garage for the time being... 

After waxing and brushing out the base, it looks nice. Feels like it should be fast. Got a few inches of snow in the forecast for Sunday, so planning to take it out then on refreshed groomers and see how deeply I can get into turns on it.

So yeah the red base on my Pencil split was also super weird and goopy and smelly. Had to do a deep clean (Wend base cleaner, craping, brushing, then waxing) to get it to be normal (this was two years ago). Was totally fine then on.

I just had it base-ground and edges tuned by a local (Japanese job!) a few weeks back and now it's sweeter than ever.

Runs smooth

(If anyone can tell me why I seem to wobble during turns, I'd appreciate it. Technique? Strength? Should I be pointed downhill more and control speed some other way? Maybe I am lazy on carves? Hrm…) 

I need to get a Japanese pro tune next time I head out there. When they buckle down, the Japanese don't fuck around on craftsmanship.


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Is T Tune still around after the main dude sadly passed away? Gentem bases always look so amazing!


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(If anyone can tell me why I seem to wobble during turns, I'd appreciate it. Technique? Strength? Should I be pointed downhill more and control speed some other way? Maybe I am lazy on carves? Hrm…) 

Is it just a split thing? The torsional flex and split bindings make up a part of it I guess. The progressive Korua nose might be a bit weird in some conditions too. You could lean over more, but that would also slow you down. Think it boils down to torsional flex through the nose.

Nice riding, and wish I was there. Always wanted to visit those hills.


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(If anyone can tell me why I seem to wobble during turns, I'd appreciate it. Technique? Strength? Should I be pointed downhill more and control speed some other way? Maybe I am lazy on carves? Hrm…) 

All I know is that's one dreamy run 🤤.


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Got the Cafe Racer 164 out for a few turns with my NOW Drives. Enjoyed it, but took me two full runs to appreciate it. Overall good first impression. Going to have to ride this one more to reach a final verdict.

Carves well as you'd expect. Was too crowded to really lay out, but did better on shorter and medium carves than I expected.  Tracks a line really well.

That fat waist waist (278 mm) requires at least moderate speed to come alive. Reminded me of short-fats in that respect.

Was surprised by the feel, not as "springy" as I expected, just... smooth. It transitions from turn to turn well, but I didn't feel the tail ROCKETING me into turns like on my Orbit. Felt like I was on a comfort luxury sedan suspension, compared to the sports car suspension on the Orbit. Not a bad thing, just different from expectation. More predictable and I'm less likely to hurt myself in this thing because I put too much oomph into a turn haha.

Rides softer than it hand flexed. 7/10 sounds about right. Pretty easy to ollie and tail press right off the bat. Wonder where it'll end up.

It reminded me of my Mosses more than I expected. Overall feel is very different, but some distinct similarities. I had to adjust my turning technique because I expected the front contact point to engage closer to the nose... big pointy nose threw me off. Same thing happened same time I ever rode a Moss (U5, I believe). And the overall ride of the CR was much more rear foot driven than I anticipated, like most Mosses. Definitely more "snowsurf" than my United Shapes.

Might try it with Jones Apollos next week. That fat waist definitely like some input... the Drives feel a little "mushy" in a way they don't on the narrower Orbit (263 mm).


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Is T Tune still around after the main dude sadly passed away? Gentem bases always look so amazing!

Oh, I missed the T-Tune news. According to the FB post announcing his passing, they say they will continue.

Tuning here is a whole "thing" in itself. They aren't focused on "race culture" and only listening to ski race techs. They apply scientific knowledge and insight to their specific needs and wants (terrain, riding style, snow temp & humidity in their local area at different times of the season) for different conditions, even formulating their own waxes and cleaners etc. Lots of "famous" tuners, and small wax brands.

And yeah edges polished to a mirror shine. Crazy. And gorgeous.

Coming from North America where you can get a tune up at the ski shack in an hour for 20 bucks (back in the day anyways), it was jarring to be told the entry level package is like 80 bucks and it'll take 3-5 days. Full package can get up to 150-200. But you are not being "ripped off", you are paying a dedicated craftsman, often working alone and making a living and contributing their time and knowledge to the local community's "ecosystem/economy".

The Japanese tend to be into gaining knowledge and understanding, and crafting appropriate solutions in accordance. And doing so from a social perspective.


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@kimchi re: mushy, do you think that’s from the drive highbacks, or the whole binding? I’m familiar with the Apollo and where it sits but not specific details (padding, strap, etc differences)


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Posted by: @matty

Is T Tune still around after the main dude sadly passed away? Gentem bases always look so amazing!

Oh, I missed the T-Tune news. According to the FB post announcing his passing, they say they will continue.

Tuning here is a whole "thing" in itself. They aren't focused on "race culture" and only listening to ski race techs. They apply scientific knowledge and insight to their specific needs and wants (terrain, riding style, snow temp & humidity in their local area at different times of the season) for different conditions, even formulating their own waxes and cleaners etc. Lots of "famous" tuners, and small wax brands.

And yeah edges polished to a mirror shine. Crazy. And gorgeous.

Coming from North America where you can get a tune up at the ski shack in an hour for 20 bucks (back in the day anyways), it was jarring to be told the entry level package is like 80 bucks and it'll take 3-5 days. Full package can get up to 150-200. But you are not being "ripped off", you are paying a dedicated craftsman, often working alone and making a living and contributing their time and knowledge to the local community's "ecosystem/economy".

The Japanese tend to be into gaining knowledge and understanding, and crafting appropriate solutions in accordance. And doing so from a social perspective.

You are right on. I really admire this part of Japanese culture, and I think part of the bummer of the American tuning world (like cheap tunes or folks thinking it’s expensive) is due to the fact that, truly, I don’t think “we” understand how much of a difference a proper job can do. Most people have probably never tried it, or ever realized that factory tunes, even on boards made for carving, can be junk, inconsistent, or different between each edge.

I have never done it, I just leave mine alone, but a trusted masterful carver friend is one of those guys who comes from a racing background but looks to Japanese artistry for inspiration in his tech work. He keeps telling me how much of a difference I’d feel.

This is also why I’m stoked to drive one of the best-built vehicles Toyota ever made, even if I can barely hit 13mpg.


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@kimchi re: mushy, do you think that’s from the drive highbacks, or the whole binding? I’m familiar with the Apollo and where it sits but not specific details (padding, strap, etc differences)

Not sure. When I flex backwards, I feel like the board "pushed back" and some component of the setup gives. Not sure if it's the boot or the highback. Especially noticable while I'm trying to manhandle it skating, but I am feeling like I'm not able to drive up on the heel as well.  

I think the post and baseplate between Drive and Apollo are identical. But Apollo has stiffer and taller highbacks, more forward lean (F0 feels more aggressive than max lean on the Drives), and less padding. 

Possibly could be straps. I have the Burton Hammockstraps on Drives and stiffer stock straps on the Jones. 

But in any case, I felt pushback and slop I've never felt before feeling in the Drive + Tactical combo (probably 30-40 days across 4 or 5 boards?).

Wondering if the binding might just suboptimal for that wide a waist. I've never been this far from the edges except on short fats which are easier to manipulate. 

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Just also picked up a set of medium Salomon Defenders, which have pretty rigid toe-to-heel response from the Shadowfit baseplate. I previously owned some larges but my boots were too small for them once I switched from Burton to Adidas boots. I may trial those.

Lots of options. Just need to figure out a nice binding pairing with them. 


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Went through the last ~30 pages of this thread.

Posted by: @spacebird

alright, lets get back to business...  anyone been able to compare the Cafe Racer to the US Orbit?

This is old (last Feb), but in case anyone cares. Only put a day one the CR 64 and around 6-7 days on Orbit 57, including rising them back to back literally today. Snow was a little weird and grabby on both decks (neither comes with much structure, I will add some on my first tune).

First impression, they don't overlap that much. Orbit is a lot more of an overall traditional ride, CR is more "snowsurf"-y and rear foot driven. I'd call them more complementary than competitors. 

Orbit is livelier, narrower, and chargier. Much stiffer tail, even though the Orbit is broken in (was ridden about 5 days before I got it) and the CR is basically new. I boosted a couple sidehits bigger on Orbit than on CR today, although grabby snow kept me from really sending it. 

CR is way wider (+15 mm underfoot, 278 mm we versus 263) and it's noticable. I would not want to be on the CR in tight, firm spaces. 

CR feels like it'll handle big swooping long arc carves better. I felt really nice driving into the rear foot.  But didn't get to test this too much with Saturday crowds. More comfortable on Orbit at slower speeds, although both really need some speed and energy to come alive. 

I would feel more comfortable on the Orbit in any firm conditions. Narrower waist.

CR has a much more neutral temperament. It waits for the rider's input and turns very predictably. Where I feel like the Orbit just wants to GO. Not twitchy per se, but as soon as you start thinking about turning, you're turning. 

All these feelings are tentatively until I get the CR out in a broader range of conditions, but I don't see it as a daily for me. Fun shape, but too wide for everyday riding across all conditions. Maybe if I was on the "narrow" 269 mm Korua waist. 

@spenser this reminds me, are you still interested in Koruas after falling in love with the Orbit?

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Korua sidecut blend (kinda) explained. So, a bit tighter in the front? Interesting. I think Mig does that on some of his boards.

When it comes to our radius, we use a specific KORUA sidecut. Its the best to be explained as a 3D radius sidecut that rooted in the raceboard/alpineboard era. Our shaper Jerry has shaped 25 years for different board brands and brought this certain ingredient along to install it in KORUA boards. Beacause of the decent taper our boards have, 3D sidecut means that the radius has 3 different stages; long, mid and short along the edge.... The long radius you will get more around the backbinding and for reaching the short radius you will have to get your weight in front of the front binding.. Therefore a certain ridingstyle is necessary..”

Interesting to read this because I could intuitively feel it. I needed to get more back foot to hold longer, drawn out carves.


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