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Posted by: @markusm

my friend used carwax on regular glossy plastic topsheet and it worked well.

interesting.  i used surf wax over the area aroudn the inserts on a broken board once so my kids could try to slide it down the driveway on a snowday here and snow clung to it like crazy.  i was pretty surprised.  


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I've been thinking through what I can put on my boards to shed snow effectively. Mild annoyance some days, but especiallyirritating when you're trying to get going in deep low angle snow and you keep building up a few pounds of snow on the nose. In some splitboard group someone recommending spraying the topsheet with Pam cooking spray and I'm getting annoyed enough to contemplate it lol.


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a friend used cold wax under his surfboard the first time he went out


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there used to be a term for that, now probably considered racist, but was really more geographic in intent.  edit: and fwiw, was inaccurate on what was actually antipodal.


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Posted by: @kimchi

I've been thinking through what I can put on my boards to shed snow effectively

This would do it, but not sure if it would be cost effective...

https://liquiglide.com


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Posted by: @kimchi

I've been thinking through what I can put on my boards to shed snow effectively. Mild annoyance some days, but especiallyirritating when you're trying to get going in deep low angle snow and you keep building up a few pounds of snow on the nose. In some splitboard group someone recommending spraying the topsheet with Pam cooking spray and I'm getting annoyed enough to contemplate it lol.

let us know how it works!  seems like you'd still have a gravity problem though


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Posted by: @kimchi

I've been thinking through what I can put on my boards to shed snow effectively. Mild annoyance some days, but especiallyirritating when you're trying to get going in deep low angle snow and you keep building up a few pounds of snow on the nose. In some splitboard group someone recommending spraying the topsheet with Pam cooking spray and I'm getting annoyed enough to contemplate it lol.

let us know how it works!  seems like you'd still have a gravity problem though

Yea for sure, I don't think it's going to fix anything, but hopefully it'll make the things slightly less of a pain in the ass haha. I thought the Pam thing was a joke, but they were dead serious. I got it floating around the house, and what's the harm? I guess a bear could potentially get after my car looking for food in spring time if I have a can of Pam floating around in there lol.


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@casjcade where have you seen it before?  this is a new concept to me, had no idea it's been done before...

Mostly on custom alpine/cross skis and boards, but was a company that had the option for splits too, can't remember which right now.

Chimera


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I've been thinking through what I can put on my boards to shed snow effectively. Mild annoyance some days, but especiallyirritating when you're trying to get going in deep low angle snow and you keep building up a few pounds of snow on the nose. In some splitboard group someone recommending spraying the topsheet with Pam cooking spray and I'm getting annoyed enough to contemplate it lol.

let us know how it works!  seems like you'd still have a gravity problem though

Yea for sure, I don't think it's going to fix anything, but hopefully it'll make the things slightly less of a pain in the ass haha. I thought the Pam thing was a joke, but they were dead serious. I got it floating around the house, and what's the harm? I guess a bear could potentially get after my car looking for food in spring time if I have a can of Pam floating around in there lol.

@kimchi I've legitimately been charged by a bear in the backcountry in the spring, but that's a story for another time...

I definitely understand the concept of using a topsheet material to reduce snow build-up, im just not sold on the arguments for using base material.  In regards to being easily repairable, I think that is a stretch.  The top sheets on splitboards get dinged around the edges - without a metal edge around the top sheet, what is going to hold your ptex repairs in place?  top sheets don't get deep gouges in the middle of the board that will be effectively repairable...  If anything, base material will be more prone to damage, requiring more repairs, than a standard topsheet.  Seems they are kind of creating the problem that they are attempting to solve.

I understand what they are going for, but in reality I am imagining an easily damaged and scuffed up top sheet that is just going to quickly look like a mess, especially after attempted repairs and wax jobs...  maybe it's something ill have to see in person to understand

@Lonz I looked at the Chimera's, they say "non-stick" top sheet, but it does not appear to be P-Tex...


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Would teflon spray work on a topsheet?

 


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@Lonz I looked at the Chimera's, they say "non-stick" top sheet, but it does not appear to be P-Tex...

They used to offer it as a popular custom option, much like they would allow you to order the the Dum Dum model but didn't advertise it online.

I am also somewhat skeptical of the efficacy, though, on account of having had snow and ice stick to the base of immaculately waxed boards in the past.  I hope it works - it would be nice to just apply some all-temp rub-on wax to your topsheet and call it a day - but I will remain skeptical until I hear positive reviews from people I trust.

 


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but I will remain skeptical until I hear positive reviews from people I trust.

It doesn't work.... Whether you trust me or not is a different issue.. lol 

 


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The brushed nylon topsheets that are supposed to shed snow easily, leaves a thin crust of ice after I scrape them in some conditions, so I'm guessing that doesn't happen with smooth ptex.

The customs I've seen weren't exactly lightweights, and the ptex top had nothing to do with weight reduction. Think the reason we don't see it much in mass production is the weight/crack/graphics issues it brings.


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To maybe put this to rest... Which it probably won't.

The BC Ski industry has been around far longer than the Splitboard industry. They produce roughly 20-30x the amount of equipment than the Splitboard industry ( last time I saw SIA numbers so it could have changed ).

If there was a way to solve this issue, or it was as simple as a p-tex top sheet, the ski industry would have already done it. 

One of the industry leaders Voile is right here in SLC as is Black Diamond, like Chimera, they literally have R&D here, with testing, 15 minutes away.

Short of a coating like the one I linked, there is no magic construction/treatment/wipe that solves it. 

Are there some type of top sheets that stick less? Yes.

Is there anything magic that stops it in its tracks, period? No. 


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To maybe put this to rest... Which it probably won't.

The BC Ski industry has been around far longer than the Splitboard industry. They produce roughly 20-30x the amount of equipment than the Splitboard industry ( last time I saw SIA numbers so it could have changed ).

If there was a way to solve this issue, or it was as simple as a p-tex top sheet, the ski industry would have already done it. 

One of the industry leaders Voile is right here in SLC as is Black Diamond, like Chimera, they literally have R&D here, with testing, 15 minutes away.

Short of a coating like the one I linked, there is no magic construction/treatment/wipe that solves it. 

Are there some type of top sheets that stick less? Yes.

Is there anything magic that stops it in its tracks, period? No. 

I absolutely could not disagree more with your claim that the ski industry would have already done it...  doesnt matter that they've been around longer and sell more product, the snowboard industry are the ones pushing the boundaries of technology for the ski companies to follow...  Rocker?  Spoon Tech?  Apex Ski Boots?  🤣 the list goes on.  Ski and Snowboard Technology is always and will always continue to evolve regardless of what ski companies have failed at in the past.  There are more players in the game now than ever trying to experiment with different ideas to improve the equipment, implying that something is not possible because ski companies haven't done it yet is pretty damn naive


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