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Crustacean
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@pow_hnd my home mountain is now known as  “Palisades Tahoe”


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@pow_hnd my home mountain is now known as  “Palisades Tahoe”

Man, yea it's tough to say which is best for you. If you weighed 180lbs, I'd say 157 for sure. But 195.... Just makes me hesitant to say either one for sure. 

I will say this. You mentioned the Custom. The board is stiffer than that and has a lot more camber. 

For those of us that started riding in the late 80s and rode all through the 90s onward, this deck is kinda a throw back. The Otto is essentially what a stiff cambered deck was in the late 90s early 00s before rocker and taper entered the game. 

 


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@pow_hnd one thing that caught my eye about the shaping of the 57 is that its a midwide deck but the tip tail are relatively narrow (I kinda like this for jumps and screwing around) whereas the 61 seems just wider everywhere more like your average directional twin in wide version. Forgive the nerd out. Im gonna try one Im sure

leaning 61 because I have a few smaller boards

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Posted by: @crustacean

average directional twin

Ahm, no such thing as a directional twin…. Tapered and non tapered.. lol 


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@crustacean FWIW I would go 161. I also ride Olympic Valley (really trying to get used to the new name, sucks when trying to make distinction between SV and Alpine Meadows). I'm about 15 lbs heavier than you and would want a 163-ish for an Otto.

I know the whole trend these days to go shorter with wider board, but in my experience the extra width doesn't do anything to compensate for losing effective edge. Just compensates by packing in more surface area for pow.

FWIW I only have size 10 boots on a Korua Stealth 163 (also pretty wide at 268 mm ww) and I'm fine. It's a little bit more work in really firm conditions or at slower speeds, but generally well worth the trade-off.


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@kimchi Korua dudes said the same thing. 161 without a doubt. Im questioning how gnarly of a binding I need. Korua team dudes seem to all be on full disk unions


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On my Otto I used contact pros and nitro ivys. 

Both are softer binders. 

I think it's just preference if you want soft or stiff bindings. 


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@kimchi Korua dudes said the same thing. 161 without a doubt. Im questioning how gnarly of a binding I need. Korua team dudes seem to all be on full disk unions

No matter what brand of deck, the wider you go, the stiffer you should go to help keep quick edge to edge. A softer biding just isn’t going to respond as quickly and make the wide deck seem like a slug from edge to edge. 


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Posted by: @crustacean

@kimchi Korua dudes said the same thing. 161 without a doubt. Im questioning how gnarly of a binding I need. Korua team dudes seem to all be on full disk unions

No matter what brand of deck, the wider you go, the stiffer you should go to help keep quick edge to edge. A softer biding just isn’t going to respond as quickly and make the wide deck seem like a slug from edge to edge. 

i found this out with the Storm Chaser and Strata vs Falcor mounted up. Strata was great in the soft stuff, perfect flowy feeling, but when it came time to traverse back to the lift on hardpack, I could feel myself fighting to keep the board on edge. with the Falcor, it’s still fun, but just that little bit more power to the edges goes a long way. 


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I don’t buy the “slower edge to edge” thing that’s been said forever about wide boards, but it does change the leverage required, albeit a relatively small amount in most cases. The slower someone rides, the more they are likely to feel it.

I noticed it when I started riding wider boards in the mid 260s, up from mostly being between 250-255. My Burtons started feeling like bear traps that I was constantly fighting. Switched to NOWs, and it all went away. In that case it’s not stiffness itself, but better leverage, blah blah you guys know the deal.

The other experience I have in general doesn’t pertain to wide boards, just binding stiffness and stiffer boards… I had a few pretty loosey-goosey days when I briefly owned contact pros years ago - there were days where I felt like I could barely snowboard and it made no sense. Then I stopped riding them and stuck to my forces & atlas, and no issues.

Broken record at this point, but I really can’t say enough how much better everything feels with my drives. Not once have I felt like I was fighting anything, among other improvements. Forever one of the best things I have ever done for myself.


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Seems like the Nows add some mechanical advantage to the force you put in the ankle strap. The more the baseplate bends forward on softer bindings, the more force you put on your foot, but a progressive flex can feel nicer than a stiff flex, as long as you don’t put too much strain on your foot over time, and your bodyweight, the conditions, the width and flex of the board all matter there. Highback is mostly a comfort thing for me, I’ve had soft or super stiff highbacks that work, same mechanics sorta, but it takes alot (soft boots and no highbacks) for this to matter more than issues on the toeside/ankle strap.


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Mechanical advantage is a good way to put it. IMO the easiest way to explain the concept of NOW is that they’ve utilized what is otherwise an  “untapped potential” or “wasted energy” of traditional bindings. Plus, you have the nice damp footbed and targeted dampening (bushings).


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With size 8 booters, def feel the relative sluggishness of wider boards, esp if paired with softer binders and/or boots. Def requires a bit more effort with a softer set up, for smaller boots sizes at least. Personally prefer more responsive bindings & boots on my decks, which are all wide or mid-wide.

And do agree that the NOW skate-tech does create a more responsive feel. But still prefer the relative smoother feel of B binders/CartelX, esp with edge to edge transitioning; willing to compromise on slightly less response.


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What about it feels “smoother” in your experience, and/or what do you mean by that? I’d say total opposite for me, with any use of the word


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What about it feels “smoother” in your experience? Total opposite for me.

I second this. Love them or hate them, it almost universally agreed that NOWs are the dampest bindings out there. I’ve ridden just about every other binding produced as a former industry person and definitely would not say Burtons ride smoother. 


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