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Posted by: @jerklin
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essentially a beefed up Super 8... which is hopefully the Instrument.

I dunno, if you check the K2 catalog they call it a mid-flex board that "feels right the moment you strap in." To me that reads K2 is making a Super 8. Their aggressive directional board seems to be the Manifest (but no taper).

I think the Joy Driver is even more stiff and aggressive, minimal taper. They're definitely making the Manifest out to be softer and more playful than it is. For stronger riders definitely. Kinda want to give it a spin. 


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Posted by: @unsatisfiedus

there was a guy down in ventura doing customs that looked pretty good.  can't remember the name off hand and no idea on the cost.  

Sounder? don’t know the cost either, but they look purdddy


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looks like they are/were $725 (according to this 2017 article)


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Posted by: @matty

For me, the area in which the Super 8 doesn't meet his requirements is that I wouldn't classify it as equivalent to the "snow surfer"-type boards. It's just not directional enough. While my Super 8 has decent float, it's still nowhere near the level of float that my Moss or Korua have.

I actually wouldn't equate snow-surfer boards with aggressive freeride boards, personally. To me, they're doing different things. The snow surfer boards are all about float and flowing turns, while an aggressive freeride board is all about bomber edge hold and performance in varied, high-consequence conditions. I don't see that the Jones Flagship or Rossignol XV have very much (if any) quiver crossover with a Gentemstick Big Fish.

Still, almost any board can be ridden almost anywhere. It's all about preference.

For bomber edge hold, landspeed records, and high consequence days, I have the Dupraz 6+ and the Rome Blur. For flow, the US Cadet and Moss SW62 and WS49.

I'm not looking for something to replace all those decks, but a single deck that's a good-enough compromise between all of them. Still have the specialists for the right day, but I'd ideally have one workhorse for most resort days and a single go-to deck for travel that I know can handle 90% of conditions.

The Cadet is pretttty close but I always find myself wishing for a bit more open sidecut, more edge, and a little bit stiffer nose. That said, I don't know if changing those parameters then just moves it into the pure freeride category. This magical board I'm looking for might just be this impossible unicorn I have in my head.


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For me, the area in which the Super 8 doesn't meet his requirements is that I wouldn't classify it as equivalent to the "snow surfer"-type boards. It's just not directional enough. While my Super 8 has decent float, it's still nowhere near the level of float that my Moss or Korua have.

I actually wouldn't equate snow-surfer boards with aggressive freeride boards, personally. To me, they're doing different things. The snow surfer boards are all about float and flowing turns, while an aggressive freeride board is all about bomber edge hold and performance in varied, high-consequence conditions. I don't see that the Jones Flagship or Rossignol XV have very much (if any) quiver crossover with a Gentemstick Big Fish.

Still, almost any board can be ridden almost anywhere. It's all about preference.

For bomber edge hold, landspeed records, and high consequence days, I have the Dupraz 6+ and the Rome Blur. For flow, the US Cadet and Moss SW62 and WS49.

I'm not looking for something to replace all those decks, but a single deck that's a good-enough compromise between all of them. Still have the specialists for the right day, but I'd ideally have one workhorse for most resort days and a single go-to deck for travel that I know can handle 90% of conditions.

The Cadet is pretttty close but I always find myself wishing for a bit more open sidecut, more edge, and a little bit stiffer nose. That said, I don't know if changing those parameters then just moves it into the pure freeride category. This magical board I'm looking for might just be this impossible unicorn I have in my head.

I haven't ridden a cadet. I want to, but United Shapes hasn't made one quite big enough to be in my preferred size range yet. Still, from what you're describing, I agree with a few others that the Super 8 might be the right choice for you. Another option might be a Weston Backwoods. I demoed one this Spring just before the 'rona shut everything down, and I was really impressed by it. It's on the list for me as a potential purchase for next season (along with a Jones 164 Hovercraft).


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Buy em all, test, and report back.  For science.


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that's it! sorry that last post was half complete and i had to go parent.  anyway, seems like if your preferences are this specific a custom is in order.  at this point i wouldn't buy an off-the-rack surfboard, i get something made to my size and preferences.  it has drastically reduced the number of boards i buy (and sell) and drastically increased my fun.  


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Posted by: @matty
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For me, the area in which the Super 8 doesn't meet his requirements is that I wouldn't classify it as equivalent to the "snow surfer"-type boards. It's just not directional enough. While my Super 8 has decent float, it's still nowhere near the level of float that my Moss or Korua have.

I actually wouldn't equate snow-surfer boards with aggressive freeride boards, personally. To me, they're doing different things. The snow surfer boards are all about float and flowing turns, while an aggressive freeride board is all about bomber edge hold and performance in varied, high-consequence conditions. I don't see that the Jones Flagship or Rossignol XV have very much (if any) quiver crossover with a Gentemstick Big Fish.

Still, almost any board can be ridden almost anywhere. It's all about preference.

For bomber edge hold, landspeed records, and high consequence days, I have the Dupraz 6+ and the Rome Blur. For flow, the US Cadet and Moss SW62 and WS49.

I'm not looking for something to replace all those decks, but a single deck that's a good-enough compromise between all of them. Still have the specialists for the right day, but I'd ideally have one workhorse for most resort days and a single go-to deck for travel that I know can handle 90% of conditions.

The Cadet is pretttty close but I always find myself wishing for a bit more open sidecut, more edge, and a little bit stiffer nose. That said, I don't know if changing those parameters then just moves it into the pure freeride category. This magical board I'm looking for might just be this impossible unicorn I have in my head.

I haven't ridden a cadet. I want to, but United Shapes hasn't made one quite big enough to be in my preferred size range yet. Still, from what you're describing, I agree with a few others that the Super 8 might be the right choice for you. Another option might be a Weston Backwoods. I demoed one this Spring just before the 'rona shut everything down, and I was really impressed by it. It's on the list for me as a potential purchase for next season (along with a Jones 164 Hovercraft).

Westons are great. Haven't ridden the Backwoods solid, but I've been super impressed with my Backwoods 63 split. Really fun in variable conditions. Sidecut seems a little tight for the feel I want on groomers (7.8 / 7 / 8.2 on the 63), but hard to say for sure because I'm not railing on-piste turns on my split haha.

Feedback I've gotten on the Super 8 is it's softer than the Cadet, which is why I nixed it. I should regardless try to track one down for a demo. I've been eying that board for 3+ years at this point. I was planning on jumping on it for demos this spring but... y'know.


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Posted by: @unsatisfiedus

anyway, seems like if your preferences are this specific a custom is in order.  at this point i wouldn't buy an off-the-rack surfboard, i get something made to my size and preferences.  it has drastically reduced the number of boards i buy (and sell) and drastically increased my fun.  

I expect eventually I'll go this route. The big pain here is finding a custom builder I trust. Long list of builders out there and finding useful real-world experience from people who can actual ride is hard enough for the mass manufactured stuff, much less the hyper niche world of custom snowboard building.

I've met Franco, ridden one of his boards, and would trust him... but his customs are in the $2k+ range at this point. Even for a guy who owns multiple Moss decks, that's steep.

 


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Super8 is not something I would purchase, but would be stoked to try… but I think they should make sort of a super8+... Something a little more burly that an aggressive rider would want in comparison to the standard


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i mean, right now they're going for 330 cad which is roughly 235 usd.  stakes are low.  potential upside is high.  


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The 2019 Super 8 that I have is solidly a mid-stiff deck. Not sure if other seasons had mellower construction. Did people on here do the "ride it a few centimeters shorter than your normal board" thing that has been recommended for the Super 8? I didn't. In my normal length (166), it rides like a true mid-stiff board. On the old-school Burton scale or new-school Capita scale, I would rate it at a solid 7/10 for flex. I imagine that it would ride a little bit softer if I had downsized to the 163 or quite a bit softer if I had downsized to the 160.

If I were to change one thing about the Super 8, it would be to make the board a little bit lighter. I have been spoiled by the higher-end, lighter-weight construction on some of my other boards. The Super 8 doesn't feel unresponsive or sluggish on snow, but I definitely notice that it's a little bit heavier than my other boards when it's dangling from my leg on the chairlift.


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I bought the 2017 Super 8 in the 157 cm length because that's my 'normal' length; it was fine, but soft.   I eventually sold it and bought the 2018 160 cm and found that to be just ok, middle-of-the-road but still with a soft nose.  I was about 175-180 lbs at the time. 

It was a great board, and worked for everything, but I found it a solid middle-of-the-road flex, with the nose being softer than the rest by a significant margin.  Out of interest I just checked and noted that Salomon rates it "medium" as far as flex while Evo rates it as "Stiff."

Flex rating is one of those things that's just as variable between people as it is between brands, though.


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Anybody here with experience with both the gentemstick XY and the korua cafe racer?

I was thinking of adding either to my quiver for this/next season.

I've got a 59 squash and a 160 super 8. I was looking at the XY or CR as a wider carving board, and possibly moving the super 8 on. I figure for days when it's deeper, I'll just use the squash, and for groomer days, then the XY or CR (although, if I got the XY, for sure I could use it in deeper snow).

So yeah, which would be a better carver? Or which would be better to get as complement to the squash? I'm leaning towards the CR because of the price, plus I can see how it doesn't overlap too much with the squash. But that XY, man, I've always wanted to try a Japanese board and from what I've read on here it's an awesome board too.

As always, any input would be appreciated!


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Anybody here with experience with both the gentemstick XY and the korua cafe racer?

I was thinking of adding either to my quiver for this/next season.

I've got a 59 squash and a 160 super 8. I was looking at the XY or CR as a wider carving board, and possibly moving the super 8 on. I figure for days when it's deeper, I'll just use the squash, and for groomer days, then the XY or CR (although, if I got the XY, for sure I could use it in deeper snow).

So yeah, which would be a better carver? Or which would be better to get as complement to the squash? I'm leaning towards the CR because of the price, plus I can see how it doesn't overlap too much with the squash. But that XY, man, I've always wanted to try a Japanese board and from what I've read on here it's an awesome board too.

As always, any input would be appreciated!

If you mean CR59, then it has the same specs between the contact points that the TrannyFinder 57 has. Same nose tail and waist widths, sidecut radius etc. Which, incidentally, is quite similar to XY specs (I think XY just has slightly longer sidecut radius). 

You could go with TF57 and effectively have a budget version of the XY. 


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