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Spenser
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19/10/2019 11:54 pm  

Who are you referring to when you say “the best riders?” Asking because the ones I think of do not ride soft boards..


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20/10/2019 12:26 am  
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Who are you referring to when you say “the best riders?” Asking because the ones I think of do not ride soft boards..

Ah yeah, relative, fair enough. I meant locally in my hood, where freeriding is big, but freestyle even bigger. The all time seasonaires, the most versatile riders who ride all conditions and don't get paid to travel after the best snow and enjoy doing it all until they die. 

The pros and ex pros I ride with all have a mid to mid-stiff camber dominant near twin boards that they do everything with, also straight line couloirs at 120kmh. Even the couple dudes I know who enter the freeride competitions don't prefer stiff freeride decks.

But yeah, obviously there's a level beyond that and local preferences. Most of the international super pros, my personal heroes but not the guys I ride with or get that stoked about, do ride stiffer boards. 


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21/10/2019 11:58 am  

Locally in my hood, I believe that dudes like Peter Line, Jamie Lynn, Austen Sweetin, Temple Cummins, etc. ride stiff or mid-stiff boards.

A few hours south of here, dudes like Austin Smith and Bryan Fox have had Nitro produce an entire quiver of predominantly mid-stiff directional boards that they ride. Josh Dirksen rides a couple of mid-stiff directional boards from Salomon. Curtis Ciszek rides mid-stiff directional boards for K2.

A few hours North of here, at Baker and Whistler, riders like Blauvelt, Debari, Habenicht, etc. ride mid-stiff directional boards.

Sure, there are some local PNW riders who are on mid-flexing twins, but those aren't the dudes getting the goods on a pow day - or they have a pow stick that they switch to. On deep days, the twin riders are stuck in the park or flailing in waist-deep snow while those of us getting turns in the fluff are on stiffer directional boards.

I can't remember where you are, but when I was in Courmayeur back in February we got a 2+ foot day (60+ cm), and I only saw four other snowboarders getting after it with me (I was on my Moss) up at the top of the mountain in the deep stuff amongst the hundreds of skiers on fat skis. I took a couple of laps with them, and those other snowboarders were on a Furberg (first time I had ever seen one), a Dupraz, a Jones Mind Expander, and a Burton Fish. None were locals, though. Those local dudes on twins (surprisingly a lot of Gnus and Libs in that mix) didn't show up until lunchtime, once it was all tracked out. And no, they weren't riding backcountry. It was too dangerous. One group who tried to died in an avalanche midday about two hundred meters outside the boundary.


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21/10/2019 1:35 pm  

I feel like we've had this conversation before @matty !

Those are exactly the kind of riders I want to exclude, having the international superstar status. If you see guys like that ride resorts on a steady basis, that's pretty sick. 

There are a couple dudes who get paid to do missions and always seek the best conditions. There's also those dudes that only ride when the conditions are good and only do back country stuff. I don't regard those as the "best dudes", the local heroes. The local heroes are the guys who ride everything, are always around and might skip the best days due to work, but always rip. Those dudes are usually definitely more playful than hard charging, but can step up their game whenever. You actually see them riding in the resort and while they're not always hiking up chutes, they can hit the big back country booters. They can also shred the park but most of all they do laps around the resort, finding all the best hits in whichever condition. Most of these guys are on mid flexing twin style boards. Looking at them, they're usually more in tune with their riding than the pure backcountry dudes. Occasionally they might switch for the "fish" or some other pow specific board, but usually not.

As far as super pros go, Victor De Le Rue is a great example: does the most ridiculous shit with a ever so slightly stiffer than mid flex board, the Nitro Team. Ooh, also Elias Elhardt, rides a soft ass board but looks so good doing it. Minority though, definitely.

There's also the pure park rider end of the spectrum that are solid all mountain riders and ride low altitude pow, but stay away from the big hills due to danger factor.

I'm not really sure where I'm going with this. Basically by "best dudes" I definitely did not mean the absolute gnarliest dudes ever but the dudes that are sick locals, ride everything from flat butters to big booters and steep chutes with one board. I like to ride with and look up to those dudes, regardless what kind of flex their board is. They seem to be having the most fun with what they're given conditions wise. The ones that identify as freeriders are always fussy and complain about everything. 


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21/10/2019 3:09 pm  

Here, the best dudes ARE the dudes I listed - and the next generation of riders who will be those dudes in five or ten years (or the previous generations guys who were those dudes ten or twenty years ago). They ride inbounds and mediocre days all the time. Sure, a lot of them hit the backcountry when conditions merit, but if the slide risk is too high or the light won't work to film video parts, they ride the resorts. When we see somebody from the chair who is destroying the mountain, it's often somebody like those guys or a host of other current and former pro riders like Matt Edgers, Phil Hansen, Jakob Krugmire, Matt Wainhouse, Russel Winfield, Blue Montgomery, Todd Schlosser, Patrick McCarthy, etc.

It's super cool to have those dudes around, but there are times when it can be a little disheartening. When I did the Bomber Banked Slalom at Mission Ridge a couple of years ago, my age group (over 40 men) didn't have a pro category. There were about twenty five of us in the group, and maybe ten of the dudes were former team riders for Lib, Gnu, RIDE, K2, Union, or 686. I knew out of the gate that my times were going to suck by comparison.


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17/01/2020 1:01 pm  

Anyone ridden the Y?  


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21/01/2020 2:21 pm  

So what's the verdict on the new Hybrid? @shredder, didn't you pick one up? How do you like it?

Trying to decide between a Hybrid 157 or a Squash 159... No chance to get on either to demo so looking for opinions...


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22/01/2020 2:37 am  
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So what's the verdict on the new Hybrid? @shredder, didn't you pick one up? How do you like it?

Trying to decide between a Hybrid 157 or a Squash 159... No chance to get on either to demo so looking for opinions...

Mate, she’s still in the plastic.. looking forward to getting on it this southern season! 


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22/01/2020 7:29 am  

On a different note I was able to get my Optimistic out last weekend and almost exclusively rode it both days. It gets sooo many snowflakes I might name it Elsa. 

The most fun turning I've had in a long time. Gave it a half hearted try on a full 360 carve and damn near had it. 

Volume made for great float and I had no issue with blasting through chopped pow flotsam and jetsam.

It wasn't as nimble as I might have liked for tight glades, but I went with the bigger than I needed 154.

Probably going to look at snagging a Y in 151 sometime.


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22/01/2020 7:50 am  

I got my Opti into some fluff on Friday. It was rad. 


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22/01/2020 8:19 am  

Idk who heads up the Yes board design, but they're good. I've had several Greats, 420s and now the Optimistic and they've all been well performing and fun rides. As in, I've yet to get on a Yes board and be disappointed. 


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22/01/2020 9:46 am  

loving my 57 opti and to ward off any ideas of getting something else..

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22/01/2020 9:54 am  

@c-fuzzy

Damn, now I’m leaning towards the Opti again. Curious about your “went bigger than I needed with the Opti 154” and “not as nimble” comments. Mind sharing your specs? I’m about 170lbs size 9 us boot and was thinking of going with the 154 for overall float and stability but 151 would be more nimble for the hard pack beginner dodging conditions I typically ride in.

thanks 


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22/01/2020 9:56 am  

@shredder

Looking forward to hearing your impressions! Thanks


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22/01/2020 10:46 am  
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@c-fuzzy

Damn, now I’m leaning towards the Opti again. Curious about your “went bigger than I needed with the Opti 154” and “not as nimble” comments. Mind sharing your specs? I’m about 170lbs size 9 us boot and was thinking of going with the 154 for overall float and stability but 151 would be more nimble for the hard pack beginner dodging conditions I typically ride in.

thanks 

Hah. 

I'm 5'9" and ~134lbs (right now), size 8.5-9 feets.

As such I could have easily got the 151, but my aim was to have floaty charger to blast around on and I've been riding 155 range for a long time so I'm familiar with that size.

Where I felt it was not as nimble as it could be was likely more due to that I live and mostly ride in the midwest, so not as steep and tighter trees. It's not exactly that boards forte. And I didn't expect it to be.

Now, I could (and will) also try moving my stance forward next time and it might be the ticket to being able to whip it... whip it good.

I think it's worth mentioning also that this was my first riding of the season, coming off arm surgery, and I was both getting my bearings riding again and had some hesitation about pushing too hard and fucking myself up again.

All in all the Optimistic is really close to being a solid one board quiver and will probably be that for any riding I do out west. For around here, I'm still considering a Y 151...as if I need it.


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