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Another groomer day on the orbit. Man, I’m really liking this board. Love the way it likes to draw a line, super comfortable and is feeling like an extension of my body now that my legs have woken up. Definitely has an aggressive feel to it overall, which I prefer, and finding it super fun to pop around on a little side hits, little banks, curves, etc. Really feeling like a Squash on steroids, which is exactly what I wanted. I don’t switch boot/binding stuff for different boards/terrain, but drives are a perfect pairing. Bomber setup.

I might have to take another look at a Squash 163 lol. Orbit 57 is a hell of a ride but a lot of board for a daily driver. Love it, but my legs definitely tap out earlier in the day than on other boards. Hoping it breaks in a touch more and ends up in the sweet spot. 


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If the new squash is as stiff as I think it flexed and it's as wide as they say I feel like it's gonna be a beast. The first 163 might be more up you're ally.

 

Got some US for Christmas 😂

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Squash 63 is comparable as a whole but comes off slightly mellower after a meal, hah

orbit is definitely a beast deck


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I’m terrible at getting out of bed, but got up for opening before work today. 9” of lighter stuff for yesterday, but on top of a bad crust, so still iffy. Groomers got a nice reset for today though. First time getting fresh cords in a long time.... rode the orbit... you can assume the rest


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Was ripping the cadet and covert(quick skin up before the lifts started spinning) in 10" of overnight pow. I brought the orbit as well but ended up riding the cadet the whole day.

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How did you find the orbit in the light stuff?

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I actually rode the squash, which was fun, definitely a little less aggressive but still super solid. Only had the orbit in heavier snow so far, but should be riding it most days, hopefully more soon with a decent looking forecast


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@parkerrrrrr I'm curious about the Cadet. Any thoughts to share?

 


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I'd say its pretty much a solid covert mine is the 2017 one not sure if the newer ones are much different. Its a super fun pow board mid stiff board turns quick floats well and shreds. I was riding the karakoram laybacks and they seemed like a perfect match. I rode the CI on the covert that morning as well and they were a bit stiff for the covert the CI's made it feel much more aggressive since they are stiff as shit and hella forward lean.


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@bopuc2 Cadet is sick. I'm about 210 lbs on the 2018 winter 162 cm. Subsequent versions are a little wider (mine is 259 mm waist, 2019 on is 264) for the 162-- I'm not sure if that's true for all sizes.

Nice predictable mid-stiffness. Easy to ride, but burly enough to go fall-line down Sierra faces. It's sub-optimal in firm snow because it rides small (short effective edge), but I can make it work. In good snow that thing is tits, I've had awesome days up to hip-deep pow in it. I wish the sidecut was a little more open (7.8 m on the 162) but I've had a ton of fun on it on groomer days. Wish the nose was a touch stiffer, I've had issues at speed in chunder. Combination of those factors means I'm not so comfortable throwing it up on edge on burner groomer days (say 50+ mph) but snow, lighting, and crowd conditions rarely line up to let me open up the throttle and throw big arcing high-speed carves... if I'm going that fast, I'm usually going straight with some micro adjustments which is fine on the Cadet.

As a pow-centric daily driver, I think it's a lot of fun. Sounds like a good fit for Japan.

If I were to make a daily driver from scratch, Cadet would be my template with some tweaks: stiffer nose, more effective edge and dial back the old school shovel nose, and open up the sidecut. If US made a hybrid of the Orbit-- basically has all of those attributes, but on steroids --with the guts of a Cadet, I'd be very happy.


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Thanks @parkerrrrrr and @kimchi !

It's funny, what you say echoes what people say about the Burton Con Artist, which has a similar geometry (not exact of course but not that far). "Really fun pow/soft snow board."

I think I may need me one. Replace the ol' 158 Storm Chaser which just sits in the closet now.


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@bopuc2 Cadet is sick. I'm about 210 lbs on the 2018 winter 162 cm. Subsequent versions are a little wider (mine is 259 mm waist, 2019 on is 264) for the 162-- I'm not sure if that's true for all sizes.

Nice predictable mid-stiffness. Easy to ride, but burly enough to go fall-line down Sierra faces. It's sub-optimal in firm snow because it rides small (short effective edge), but I can make it work. In good snow that thing is tits, I've had awesome days up to hip-deep pow in it. I wish the sidecut was a little more open (7.8 m on the 162) but I've had a ton of fun on it on groomer days. Wish the nose was a touch stiffer, I've had issues at speed in chunder. Combination of those factors means I'm not so comfortable throwing it up on edge on burner groomer days (say 50+ mph) but snow, lighting, and crowd conditions rarely line up to let me open up the throttle and throw big arcing high-speed carves... if I'm going that fast, I'm usually going straight with some micro adjustments which is fine on the Cadet.

As a pow-centric daily driver, I think it's a lot of fun. Sounds like a good fit for Japan.

If I were to make a daily driver from scratch, Cadet would be my template with some tweaks: stiffer nose, more effective edge and dial back the old school shovel nose, and open up the sidecut. If US made a hybrid of the Orbit-- basically has all of those attributes, but on steroids --with the guts of a Cadet, I'd be very happy.

That's a good assessment. Pow-centric DD is exactly what I've been riding for years now, in the Pioneer. Had the original Cadet 156 but it was a little too narrow for my liking, so I was stoked when they launched the Discovery series. Couple seasons ago they widened the Cadet just enough and reshaped the nose (on all but the 144) so on paper it should be an even better DD for me. Agree that both the Pioneer and Cadet could use a slightly stiffer nose...it's not the softest out there, but has definitely buckled on me. Have yet to get my hands on one but will be keeping an eye out for late season sales. Either that or get a Dubai slave labor Season Eqpt that seems like a pretty close knockoff lol.

 


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I feel the same about it. Short version is I would make it a little stiffer with a larger sidecut

Orbit board with cadet tip shapes would be the one


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First time getting fresh cords in a long time.... rode the orbit... you can assume the rest

Now that you've experienced the goodness of the Orbit, you need to get on a Pencil next 😉. Such a great ripper, also. Can't wait to get back on it, once this lockdown lifts. 


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Just rode both Cadet (with Karakoram Prime Connect R) and Orbit (with new-to-me Jones Apollo bindings) today in kind of weird day. High snow line storm, super wind scoured. Was hoping for pow but had maybe a dozen mediocre (but fun) pow turns over 3 runs. Top 600 ft or so was fun in pockets, bottom 800 ft or so was pretty bulletproof, and the 1500 ft or so in the middle was variable.

Cadet really struggled in those conditions and demonstrated why I gave up on it as a true daily driver and transitioned it to rock board / good snow board. I got bucked a few times transitioning from pow to dust to crust to supported rain crust. I'm just not enough rider to stay on top of that thing in those conditions.

I gave up on pow hunting, stopped worrying about rocks, and swapped to the Orbit. It really excelled in the same conditions. Way more stable through changing conditions and felt a lot more comfortable charging. That board is starting to feel a lot more manageable and I'm less worried it's too much board after today. Got a few nice floaty ollies off bumps, first time I've felt confident leveraging the tail. Not sure if it was the new bindings, just break-in, or being further into the season and not having off-season legs, but I'm definitely starting to vibe with it properly.


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I’ve thought about it before, but that’s why a stronger board is easier to ride for a lot of folks. Takes more out of a novice, but supports a strong rider who can find “lesser” boards to lack stability and support


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