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I don’t meant to say the orbit and goldfish/blackscales are necessarily very similar on snow, but if you look at specs and compare in person, it’s kinda nuts how much they share. Comparing 57 to 160, specifically. I lined them up just cause I pulled the fish out this week and mounted it for tomorrow, noticed the similarities, then checked online to see if I was tripping - it’s almost like the fish is just its much more tapered brother. Virtually exact same profile, edge, radius, same standing length, similar flex, etc.

In retrospect, I recall remarking at how strong and freeridey the goldfish really is after riding it a bit, and now knowing the orbit on snow, it really is majorly just a difference in taper, which of course affects the ride overall, but still.

And, especially because of how I do the stance on each (orbit back, fish forward) my binders even nearly match up along the edge.

Wish the fish were wider under the back foot, but no big deal

124 / 123.5 edge

8.2 / 8.24 radius

similar nose width (fish a hair wider) and then it gets narrower through the tail due to a lot more taper, but that’s really the main difference. Interesting...


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All that said… now that I’m ON the fish today, what a different ride. Part of this is the fact that I’ve been riding the Hammerhead lately, but still, that taper really changes things. 160 goldfish feeling a little like the fishcuit right now 😜


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Back on the orbit for another pow day

I think this is my goat


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Just picked up a Korua Stealth, I'm curious if it'll replace the Orbit as my go-to.

Like I've said, the Orbit rips. I reckon per-run it's the most (non-pow) fun I've had on a snowboard. But that thing is a fucking battering ram and I can't ride it the way it demands for more than 3-4 hours. Recently been swapping off between the Orbit 57 in the morning and trading off to the more relaxed (but too wide) Cafe Racer 64 in afternoon and that's working nicely. If I had to pick one Id honestly go CR just because I have less chance of a late-afternoon scorpion. 

I wish I could pair Orbit and 35-year-old skill level / savvy with 25-year-old legs... but of course life doesn't work like that. 


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I hear ya, and I think we have the same experience on the board overall, but I still feel like I get less drained compared to something else that used to be my DD, exactly because it’s that beastly. On a “lesser“ deck, like say the cadet, despite it being a really great shape and fun ride, it’s just not that burly and you have to stay on it, putting more energy into making up for what the board doesn’t necessarily help you with. Of course, depends on the person. On the Orbit though, I’m just good to go, anywhere, any time. Such low deflection & super stabile - I’m really in love with it. I still think OG squash on steroids is a pretty perfect description in my experience. I was actually starting to think about selling my squash, because I don’t see why I would ride it again… but that’s crazy talk; I think it’s a special board I need to keep. And, to be perfectly honest, despite my level 100 fish love, after riding the goldfish 160 the other day, it just doesn’t compare and I don’t see when I’m going to hop on any of them again. This two board quiver of orbit and hammerhead is really hitting the spot.

There is some kind of naturally existing algorithm or equation floating in the airwaves as to how all of these factors line up and create the end user experience.. rider ability, riding style, board specifics, terrain/location, etc… all those things considered, the Orbit and I just “math” super well.

I took the matte grey vinyl off, and I am really enjoying the natural graphic. I think the curvy lines are cool, but because it’s such a mild difference between the two levels of matte, I almost can’t tell in the snow. Just a bomber blacked out combo. This deck with drives has to be my favorite setup of all time, so far.


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The Orbit's burliness is a bit of a double-edged sword for me, because it gives me the confidence to try shit I would not attempt on other boards. On a Cadet, I would intuitively take more conservative approaches or lines, and save my legs the beating. So the Orbit nets out wearing me out quicker.

Took the Orbit out to Mount Bachelor for a pow day. Basically confirmed it's not an everyday driver for me. First time in meaningful pow accumulation. I could feel the squared-off nose slowing me down when I hit deeper accumulation riding more centered, and had to lean back more than on my other decks. @Spenser seems to do fine, but pretty sure I outweigh him by 40-50 lbs at 205 lbs. Found myself wanting that "missing" surface area from the lopped off nose.

In fairness, the snow pack was really weird. And visibility was pretty shit, so I was keeping speeds pretty mellow, which is rough at a flatter mountain like Bachelor. But on the whole yesterday validated my intuition to grab other boards on deeper pow days.


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I also ride it set back more


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Posted by: @spenser

I also ride it set back more

Are you on the pow inserts, or just set back a bit?


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Basically split the difference, so the insert pack behind reference, before pow packs. Technically setback just slightly on that, but yeah it works great in fresh snow and feels balanced elsewhere - feels too forward to me at ref. Haven’t been in anything truly deep-deep yet, but I’m confident it would be fine, although I would probably take the Hammerhead anyway


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Basically split the difference, so the insert pack behind reference, before pow packs. Technically setback just slightly on that, but yeah it works great in fresh snow and feels balanced elsewhere - feels too forward to me at ref. Haven’t been in anything truly deep-deep yet, but I’m confident it would be fine, although I would probably take the Hammerhead anyway

Word, yea the Orbit's pow limitations are not that problematic because I have other boards I'd rather ride in deep pow anyway (Moss Swallow and Dupraz 6'... probably the Korua as well). 

The only real concern is when I'm traveling via plane and need to worry about luggage weight limits... I try to bring 1 solid and 1 split for trip under those circumstances. In that case I'd prefer something a bit more versatile for who knows kind of conditions.

I think the Orbit will be a mega fun firm conditions, spring conditions, and general groomer deck. But probably not the board I'll grab when I need one deck to handle everything in unknown conditions.


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More of that personal math at work, hah. I love it for everything! So far I’ve had it in about 18”, and the full spectrum of weight/moisture and all terrain. Works awesome for me, a bit more float from the width, and because it loves speed, easy planing. Good nose profile too. I think the squash has a bit more natural float, but with this extra setback, I still like the orbit more in that regard. It has a pretty plentiful tail, so still feels like there’s more behind me than the squash.

All it would really need is a slightly larger nose kick like the cadet, but 🤷‍♂️

The 57 is plenty/perfect, but I can still see a 160 being rad..


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Couple snaps from Jeremy after I dropped out of a billygoat filming spot, hanging from a tree above a nice pow pocket

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Slowmo video woulda been sweet

 


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rad shots man!  curious what bindings you ride on the orbit?


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Now drives. I like the same boot/binding for everything, and these are by far the best connection I’ve ever had. Every deck got better once I switched to them 😜


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