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DanDan
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26/09/2016 12:06 am  

Had a long thing written up, but closed the tab. The question is: does anyone else feel like the used snowboard market has died down significantly over the past couple of years? I know it's seasonal and dependent on area, but I'm trying to figure out if this is objectively happening or it's just me. All my usual sources have been pretty dry for a long time. Have the places people are selling just changed? Maybe it's because I don't have social media... Are all the B/S/T groups on Facebook or something? If it is happening, is there something that explains it?


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26/09/2016 1:06 am  

I would think that a lot of it has migrated over to Facebook, that's where I see the majority of listing's for EVERYTHING now. Gear Trade doesn't seem to have the amount of listings or great deals as it used to.

 


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26/09/2016 1:23 am  

Facebook is where it's at.

 

In the last year, it seems that the communities there has grown significantly.


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26/09/2016 1:40 am  

Snowboard Trader on FB has tons of stupid shit and also tons of REALLY good deals.  I feel like people watch that page like hawks though.  Most good deals are scooped up in what seems like less than 20 minutes of the post time.

BUT, the EL used snowboard market seems to be slow.  I remember JLD and some other dudes who would always have a ton of stuff to unload every fall.


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26/09/2016 2:06 am  

[quote quote=2010]BUT, the EL used snowboard market seems to be slow. I remember JLD and some other dudes who would always have a ton of stuff to unload every fall. [/quote]

 

I feel like as we build this site back up, we will get our used board market up and running. The OG EL days always had a treasure trove of deals to find, due to the larger number of active members we had.


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26/09/2016 3:44 am  

Yeah, anytime I bought anything on EL it was a crazy good score and super friendly transactions as well.

anyone remember how many active members EL had at the peak?

 


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26/09/2016 3:52 am  

You mean the VST group on Facebook?  Seems like many don't get accepted.


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26/09/2016 4:29 am  

[quote quote=2013]You mean the VST group on Facebook? Seems like many don’t get accepted. [/quote]Different groups. On Snowboard Trader, pretty much anything snowboard related goes. VST is for vintage snowboard stuff exclusively (Vintage Snowboard Trader).


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26/09/2016 7:01 am  

I think @black bnr32 is talking about new users to the group getting accepted to VST. It can be annoying, I requested to join a few times before hitting up an admin and they let me in. However despite requesting to join VST-Bay several times over I've never been let in there.

 

SBT was pretty easy, but I think I ended up hitting up an admin there too.

 

Hopefully as we rebuild back to EL2.0 levels of activity our classifieds will again be the promise land.


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26/09/2016 12:14 pm  

 

the Dig My Quiver group is pretty neat.


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26/09/2016 2:19 pm  

[quote quote=2017]despite requesting to join VST-Bay several times over I’ve never been let in there.[/quote]

 

no one seems to pay attention to that group anymore.  There is always people complaining that they can't get in.  On the flip side, some idiots that got booted for being dicks came back under different name and messed with the system/deleted a bunch of files/etc so they are pretty reluctant to add new people. But there hasn't been much going on there anyways


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26/09/2016 11:34 pm  

 

Well, looks like my suspicion has been confirmed, my loss for not having it anymore. These days it's getting to be more and more of a necessity.

Anyway, I still feel like it's not what it once was everywhere else. Gear Trade is essentially dead (deals used to be good enough to proxy stuff to Canada), other snowboard forums are slow if not dead, eBay is mostly over-priced resellers, and the classifieds I've searched aren't great. It can't be that everyone migrated to Facebook. Doesn't help that the CAD sucks.

[quote quote=2012]anyone remember how many active members EL had at the peak? [/quote]

I don't know if there's a way to see number of members (or even better, active members) but I went to the Wayback machine and there were 177 pages of members as of October 2012, who knows what percent was active.

[quote quote=2010]BUT, the EL used snowboard market seems to be slow. I remember JLD and some other dudes who would always have a ton of stuff to unload every fall. [/quote]

The Wayback had my sale archived but not JLD's for some reason. I mean EL is the most explainable because it died. I'm pretty nostalgic about the deals (especially on C3 stuff). Hopefully we can get something similar at least because I also liked doing business here.

Just generally for members, maybe an announcement on the EL Facebook about the new place? I'm not even sure who owns that page.


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27/09/2016 12:23 am  

[quote quote=2024] I also liked doing business here. Just generally for members, maybe an announcement on the EL Facebook about the new place? I’m not even sure who owns that page. [/quote]

I was thinking it might be smart to send this link around the EL facebook page. I've also tried to figure out who owns that page, considering it was Porters, then C3? Then who knows. Would be a nice way to migrate people over here.


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27/09/2016 12:55 am  

My $0.02 opinion...

Snowboarding was riding high mid 2000's, strong sales and years over year of increasing production from all brands. But when the banks basically collapsed in 2008 it took with it lending to producers to cover operations and next seasons production. At the same time an economic recession started to hit and basically brands needed to dump massive amounts of inventory to cover debts and daily operations. However, producers didn't quite know how far back to scale to meet actual demand so companies were still over producing, and people were still carrying momentum from the spend, spend, spend, mentality.

It seemed to me that from 2008 to 2012 there was massive amounts of gear flooding into the market at or below wholesale. Suddenly everyone and their grandma was buying new gear on the cheap every year and selling last years gear at a fraction of retail. Retailers had been riding high from years of growth so there wasn't the same concern about margins, and suddenly the internet gave people access to every sale across the country. At least those that were comfortable giving their credit card to "who knows who".

IMO this is where most of those deals originated. I recall name brand boards on brociety for $99, and good wood winners for $129, UnInc, etc. and not just a few. Lots. I recall getting a brand new Arbor Wasteland off ebay for under $200.

There are still deals to be found. But production has been tighter, and there are way more buyers online, so when higher demand goods go on sale there are fewer and are snatched up pretty quick.

Maybe theres a micro economic shift where a percentage of sales went to facebook, and certainly EL has had several disruptions which fumbled the user base, but I believe it's probably more a macro economic change of less production and tighter control on margins.

But what do I know.

 

Edit: somewhere I transitioned from used to new market, but buying new drives the used sales. So... "trickle down" ha..


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27/09/2016 1:01 am  

That Facebook page has the same branding as the C3 EL.  Also, the only person posting on it is CWB. I'd be up for more of his brand of mental illness, just need to wait until the election is over.


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