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21/06/2020 2:19 am  
Posted by: @cortado

I'm not saying they are directly equivalent, but in one case the sponsored rider has actually broken a law, whereas in the other the rider has done something that people find offensive. 

If we're worried about 'the kids' then getting arrested for drugs is pretty bad. 

Which is why Kazu's actions had legal/criminal consequences, while the repercussions for Nico are primarily commercial.

And both also have to accept the judgment of the court of public opinion and how their actions have affected what opinions people have of them - which will probably vary depending on one's values and views (Kazu's actions might very well be more objectionable than Nico's in the eyes of somebody very conservative or reactionary).

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21/06/2020 2:50 am  

@sgboarder Because his sponsors have decided so, as is very much their prerogative. Presumably because their assessment is that his actions do not cause them (too much) commercial downside and/or because they find his actions less objectionable than Nico's. That is entirely their call.

So, really this is a completely cynical, PR and profit-motivated call by all these companies. 

If there was money in saying 'Black Lives Don't Matter' they'd do that too. 


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21/06/2020 3:00 am  

Interesting comment from Reddit: 

 

'I know him personally and can say that how he acts is scary. All his friends and family have tried to talk sence into him but he says we are all on a loop. I fuckingn love the guy but when you talk to him you see there is something missing behind his eyes. He has gotten god complex and think he will save the world. He has a few friends that believe the same thing as him and is pushing him forward with it. We tried to get him to go a therapist but he refuses. He is so certain he is right. Really feels like he is having some psychosis.

He is convinced the seventh trumpet will come this weekend and a big change will happen. For his sake I hope it's right.'


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21/06/2020 4:04 am  

Damn, man. How the mighty have fallen, for real 😔.


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21/06/2020 5:44 am  
Posted by: @cortado

 

How come Kazu Kokubo gets to break the law of his home country and keep his sponsors? 

Here we go, most problems in this world can be pointed directly back to religion and the  fucking stupid drug wars going on across the globe. 

All religions tell you, you’re special and if other people don’t believe what you believe they’re in trouble. This creates separation as children and continues throughout life. These superstitions are continuing to cause problems all across the globe. Just like these childish drug wars.

 

The fact that you compared weed to a racist are you a skier?


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21/06/2020 5:54 am  
Posted by: @cortado

@sgboarder Because his sponsors have decided so, as is very much their prerogative. Presumably because their assessment is that his actions do not cause them (too much) commercial downside and/or because they find his actions less objectionable than Nico's. That is entirely their call.

So, really this is a completely cynical, PR and profit-motivated call by all these companies. 

Where did you get that from? Quite a stretch to draw that conclusion. 

But even if that were true, he was at least in part hired by these companies to perform PR and ultimately generate profits. So if he does not hold up his end of the contract, these companies sure seem justified to terminate the agreements with him. 


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21/06/2020 6:00 am  

@velvethammer lol no, not a skier. Just that one is breaking the law (whether you agree with that law or not) whereas the other is promoting insane conspiracy theories. 


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21/06/2020 6:01 am  

@sgboarder sorry, no I meant towards supporting BLM not firing Muller as such. 

As in, they are stating their support for BLM, but they don't actually give a shit, it's just for the PR. If there was good PR in saying the opposite, they'd do that instead. 


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21/06/2020 6:26 am  
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@velvethammer lol no, not a skier. Just that one is breaking the law (whether you agree with that law or not) whereas the other is promoting insane conspiracy theories. 

“one is breaking the law”, By continuing to spew this kind of rhetoric you are part of the problem. Statements like this give police free reign to go in the neighborhood and create havoc. Trying to arrest people for things like smoking a joint should be a crime. 
Why are more people not talking about abolishing drug laws? This is why there is so much interaction with police and minority communities.


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21/06/2020 6:26 am  

i think we found nico’s burner account


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21/06/2020 6:42 am  

@velvethammer 'breaking the law' isn't a turn of phrase, it's literally against the law in Japan. I'm not saying it should be but it is. 

So the current optics are, Oakley riders can break drug laws, but they can't be offensive. 

(Similar situation in tennis, one pro got dropped by Head for saying he hated tennis. Sharapova got banned for doping and they kept her). 


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21/06/2020 7:20 am  

"the law" is what people in power decide.

legislation tied to war on drugs has been proven over time that its not doing good but harm.

 


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21/06/2020 7:38 am  

The Todd Richard's pod @matty mentioned previously, discussing this topic. (Starts in the last quarter-ish of the pod, after surf & skate news). Agree with Todd here, esp the whole dealing w/ consequences when you berate ppl in a public space (didn't know it even got to that point), and the doubling/tripling down. Interesting convo, nonetheless.

 

https://www.yewonline.com/2020/06/15/the-monday-m-a-s-s-with-chris-cote-and-todd-richards-june-15-2020/


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21/06/2020 7:55 am  

I wonder what the combined value of Muller's GNU/32/Oakley contracts was. 


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21/06/2020 8:12 am  
Posted by: @markusm

"the law" is what people in power decide.

legislation tied to war on drugs has been proven over time that its not doing good but harm.

 

No. The law is a consequence of the people that give power to the people in charge with their votes (in a democracy). And you always get what you deserve.

If the majority of a county asks for (ie) the decriminalization of drugs it will become a law. 

 


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