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coleslawed
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21/06/2020 9:00 am  

re: weed and racism

weed is not morally wrong, regardless of the law

racism is morally reprehensible.

period.

it’s pretty simple. 


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cortado
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21/06/2020 9:56 am  

 

Tyler Chorlton's (UK pro) post on BLM. '#fuckgeorgesoros'. 


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21/06/2020 10:00 am  

Hmm, I fail to see how that hashtag adds to the message


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21/06/2020 10:37 am  
Posted by: @89c51
Posted by: @markusm

"the law" is what people in power decide.

legislation tied to war on drugs has been proven over time that its not doing good but harm.

 

No. The law is a consequence of the people that give power to the people in charge with their votes (in a democracy). And you always get what you deserve.

If the majority of a county asks for (ie) the decriminalization of drugs it will become a law. 

 

 

dont think i ever changed anyones mind on a forum or on social media

and dont think you will be the first.

in theory thats how it should work with democracy but with influence from special interest/lobbys

the people with leverage and capital set the rules.

 

 


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21/06/2020 11:14 am  
Posted by: @markusm
Posted by: @89c51
Posted by: @markusm

"the law" is what people in power decide.

legislation tied to war on drugs has been proven over time that its not doing good but harm.

 

No. The law is a consequence of the people that give power to the people in charge with their votes (in a democracy). And you always get what you deserve.

If the majority of a county asks for (ie) the decriminalization of drugs it will become a law. 

 

 

dont think i ever changed anyones mind on a forum or on social media

and dont think you will be the first.

in theory thats how it should work with democracy but with influence from special interest/lobbys

the people with leverage and capital set the rules.

 

 

No doubt that this happens also. BUT you (us) are the one that votes for them. And in many cases you vote for them again and again even if they listen and make laws in favor of those lobbying.

 

Regarding the 1%.

Last time i checked few years back (and i might be wrong) the worldwide one percent -on the basis of income alone- was making upwards of 50K dollars a year. I am quite sure tyler makes -or had made- depending on year/sponsorships etc more than that.

 Quit this shit please.


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21/06/2020 11:38 am  

I read it as "1% of people" and not "top 1% income earners."  It makes more sense that way, but given the rest of the context I'm not sure that's what he meant by it...

There are people of all races in the top 1% of income earners.

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21/06/2020 11:50 am  

i live in a country without the lol 2 party system and the party i vote for is making change but with a over time hollowed out system its going slow.

i use this forum manly to crap on cener rocker and mag and went from thought to post without thinking over if its worth the time to "discuss" this. 

as i said im dont think i will change minds and im firm in my belives as well.

and here we are with nothing acomplished


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21/06/2020 1:35 pm  
Posted by: @markusm

i live in a country without the lol 2 party system and the party i vote for is making change but with a over time hollowed out system its going slow.

i use this forum manly to crap on cener rocker and mag and went from thought to post without thinking over if its worth the time to "discuss" this. 

as i said im dont think i will change minds and im firm in my belives as well.

and here we are with nothing acomplished

LOL


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21/06/2020 4:50 pm  
Posted by: @matty

I disagree. 

Already, because people challenged Nico's statements on Instagram and Facebook, Nico dug in, made a scene, lost his sponsors - and as a result multiple snowboard outlets/media folks/pros have covered the story and included in that coverage at least some discussion of Nico's conspiracy theories and related racist/antisemitic/etc arguments. Whitelines, Snowboarder, and Todd Richard's Monday M.A.S.S. podcast are just a few of the places that you can find media/press coverage. Austin Smith has made Instagram statements. Hana Beaman just posted something about belief in conspiracy theories being related to a lack of critical thinking.

All of that action and resulting discussion, which started with people challenging Nico in public forums, is being put in front of an audience who otherwise would just be hearing conspiracy theories from Nico with no critique or context and might be that much more likely to not look into the full extent of those theories and therefore also be that much more likely to believe that they are true.

I do not follow any reasoning that publicly challenging bigotry-based conspiracy theories is at best a useless exercise and might even make things worse. How does that work?

My reasoning about making it worse specifically referred to an individual spreading the ideas.  The theory being you’re unlikely to change their mind and you may drive them underground and make them more extreme.  Possibly they’ll violently lash out in public.  Instead of simply venting online.  Just an idea, I’m no expert.

 

Apparently Mr Muller's close friends have tried talking to him, so I guess  that’s  a lost cause for now.


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22/06/2020 12:54 am  
Posted by: @velvethammer
Posted by: @cortado

 

How come Kazu Kokubo gets to break the law of his home country and keep his sponsors? 

Here we go, most problems in this world can be pointed directly back to religion and the  fucking stupid drug wars going on across the globe. 

All religions tell you, you’re special and if other people don’t believe what you believe they’re in trouble. This creates separation as children and continues throughout life. These superstitions are continuing to cause problems all across the globe. Just like these childish drug wars.

 

The fact that you compared weed to a racist are you a skier?

Maybe this skier?

https://unofficialnetworks.com/2020/06/17/fagan-twins-suspended/

https://www.powder.com/stories/news/u-s-ski-team-suspends-athletes-for-using-racial-slurs/

https://www.summitdaily.com/news/us-ski-snowboard-indefinitely-suspends-fagan-freeski-twins-after-video-with-racial-slur-surfaces/

https://snowbrains.com/fagan-twins-suspended-us-ski-team-racial-slurs/

 

If a brand called Douchebags thinks you're bad for their image...


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22/06/2020 1:23 am  
Posted by: @coleslawed

re: weed and racism

weed is not morally wrong, regardless of the law

racism is morally reprehensible.

period.

it’s pretty simple. 

When you get into all the stuff about drug cartels, how they operate, what the impact is etc., I would totally argue against "weed is not morally wrong". About 50% of the stuff is still imported and a chunk of that illegally. While I don't really care if anyone smokes pot or not, it would be a bit wrong to say your actions are completely devoid of moral responsibility.


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22/06/2020 2:04 pm  

For fuck's sake:

1) Smoking weed does not inherently include any of the morally dubious shit that can, possibly, depending on specific context, maybe be associated with it (ie: "breaking the law", supporting dangerous/violent drug cartels, etc). There are plenty of people who smoke weed in settings where recreational use is completely legal and the weed that they smoke was either grown in totally legitimate, tax-paying, standards-adhering facilities - or they smoker grows their own. Even if they are smoking in a fashion that involves some level of illicit activity, there are still ways to do so with very minimal moral/ethical dilemma and no harm to other people.

2) Being a racist is not simple bigotry. It is specific bigotry that classifies that one group of people, identifiable by "race", is inferior because of that identity. Racism fosters very real harm to those classified as inferior, whether through diminishment of opportunity or through active, direct violence. There is no form of being a racist in which one can still be morally and ethically sound. Full stop.

There is no equivalency between smoking weed and being a racist. Stop it.

 


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22/06/2020 8:44 pm  
Posted by: @elektropow
Posted by: @coleslawed

re: weed and racism

weed is not morally wrong, regardless of the law

racism is morally reprehensible.

period.

it’s pretty simple. 

When you get into all the stuff about drug cartels, how they operate, what the impact is etc., I would totally argue against "weed is not morally wrong". About 50% of the stuff is still imported and a chunk of that illegally. While I don't really care if anyone smokes pot or not, it would be a bit wrong to say your actions are completely devoid of moral responsibility.

Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit @elektropow

 

The two are not even remotely comparable.

 

Do one of two things.

 

Stop smoking what you’re smoking, or, if you don’t smoke, start.

 

What your doing is not working for you if you come up with that crazy ass bullshit and actually believe it.


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23/06/2020 12:08 am  

Chill the fuck out. I guess it sounded like I was comparing the two, which was the original context. I took my concern out of that context, which in retrospect might've not been so obvious. Why would I be condoning racism in any form? No way dude. Yeah it's not that bad with weed anymore obviously, in the states. Hard drugs, definitely. My only point is that still in many countries, where most weed is imported illegally, by usage you're creating demand and that demand runs a system where hundreds of thousands of people have been murdered. Hardly a thing to ignore.

As far as racism goes, it's absolutely morally reprehensible. While the message in the current climate is sound, some of the issues and methods people try to tie around the root problems are questionable. Like #defundstem, or rewriting history / censoring it. I mean c'mon... Just because there's racism doesn't mean we can't talk about other problems.

But racism exists, I think more than I'd even realized before. And I think it's only increasing, partly due to certain campaigning methods, even though through the past decade or two we had almost achieved a level of color blindness that's important for true equality (not necessarily speaking from the perspective of States and the moral burdens there).

 


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23/06/2020 2:07 am  

Speaking of conspiracy theories…

I have never purposefully searched for or watched a Nico Müller video, or anything to do with him rally. The only place I have ever encountered the name is here and seeing one guy ride his model once 2 seasons ago.

I go to Youtube just now and the top recommended video is a NM video.

Seems the misinformation platforms love their useful idiots so they promote them however they can…

p.s.: there is no excuse or rationalizing racism away. The mere attempt of it makes one a racist. Own up to it, and learn how to stop having prejudices and how to stop discriminating. Then become aware of how exploitation and oppression touches everything, including our precious snowboarding. We are all humans.


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