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25/09/2020 2:39 pm  

JFC.

I wonder if he was always like this, or took too many knocks and is in some kind of CTE spiral. Definitely saw some warning signs in the past few years with some odd interviews and posts before he got dropped by his sponsors.


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25/09/2020 3:27 pm  
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I read this earlier today, a lot of things to digest.

I see someone that has hope for the future and believes that positive changes are coming.  Why are people not seeing that as a positive?

You said you read it, right? The answer to your question is “because of what he wrote” (and constantly spews), not to mention the crazed demeanor with which he does it.

In order to boil down one’s perception of his words to simply “a hopeful person who sees a positive future,” you must effectively ignore the actuality of his posts.


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25/09/2020 4:13 pm  

what the fuck? someone who sees donald trump as our ever saving grace? LOL IM DEAD YO


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25/09/2020 4:36 pm  
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I read this earlier today, a lot of things to digest.

I see someone that has hope for the future and believes that positive changes are coming.  Why are people not seeing that as a positive?

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25/09/2020 4:54 pm  

The saddest part of all of this and things like this in a broader scale is how fervently Nico and others believe what they believe in.  Their truth is so different than the world or reality or another person's truth. And that difference is like an inconceivable void to cross because of how firmly they believe in their position.

So the real deep down issue is that they are being spoon-fed more and more radical ideas by youtube, Facebook, Instagram, any social media.  As we get jaded to content, we are fed more extreme things to keep us on the app or streaming videos.  It's all fueling a new virtual currency of swipes, clicks, likes, and attention span.  It can happen with conspiracy theories, or political party, cakes, cars, or really any other topic. 

I've messed around with it specifically on Instagram.  You can go weeks with only seeing content that you want.  For me, that's snowboarding or some other hobby-interest accounts.  But go ahead and click on one thing that's outside your normal "profile" and watch that shit become a deluge of similar stuff trying to get you engaged in more accounts, more content and ultimately more time on the app.

For example, I don't eat meat but if I click on one swine farming account (yes they exist) I'm suddenly the world's biggest pork fan if you looked at my suggested posts, sponsored ads or discovery page.  Then it takes weeks of avoiding those ads in a specific way (swiping fast, never spending even time looking at the pic as it goes by) to flush the feed of that attempt to get me more engaged in a new way.

It's unfortunate that the same algorithms and principles that the apps are built on push people so far down a path with things as serious as violence, disease, human trafficking and genocide  so that now we all believe different "truths" because we're fed different information.

Also, these individuals who say "do your own research" or whatever and then just watch a stream of more and more polarizing videos queued up as recommended on YouTube is laughable.  

But I guess I'm a wooly-haired sheeple, which is funny bc my long hair is pretty much the same consistency as a Mongolian yak.

Sidenote: WTF is the singular of "Sheeple"?  Sheepson? Sheeperson? Sheep-Man and Sheep-woman?   I need to know so that if I get called out for my individual views I can differentiate from my collective sheeple.  Thanksssss.


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25/09/2020 6:59 pm  
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So the real deep down issue is that they are being spoon-fed more and more radical ideas by youtube, Facebook, Instagram, any social media.  As we get jaded to content, we are fed more extreme things to keep us on the app or streaming videos.  It's all fueling a new virtual currency of swipes, clicks, likes, and attention span.  It can happen with conspiracy theories, or political party, cakes, cars, or really any other topic.

The Social Dilemma docu that recently came out on Netflix was pretty enlightening & eye-opening, with regards to this topic.


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25/09/2020 9:00 pm  
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Posted by: @nitro909

I read this earlier today, a lot of things to digest.

I see someone that has hope for the future and believes that positive changes are coming.  Why are people not seeing that as a positive?

You said you read it, right? The answer to your question is “because of what he wrote” (and constantly spews), not to mention the crazed demeanor with which he does it.

In order to boil down one’s perception of his words to simply “a hopeful person who sees a positive future,” you must effectively ignore the actuality of his posts.

There is a lot of ground in between ignoring someones words and having to speak about every word that is said. He believes that bad things are happening but also believes that those things will soon come to an end and the world will be a better place.  The world needs more people with optimistic views.  Whats wrong with that? 


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25/09/2020 9:18 pm  
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Posted by: @soymateo

So the real deep down issue is that they are being spoon-fed more and more radical ideas by youtube, Facebook, Instagram, any social media.  As we get jaded to content, we are fed more extreme things to keep us on the app or streaming videos.  It's all fueling a new virtual currency of swipes, clicks, likes, and attention span.  It can happen with conspiracy theories, or political party, cakes, cars, or really any other topic.

The Social Dilemma docu that recently came out on Netflix was pretty enlightening & eye-opening, with regards to this topic.

Oh damn.  I just watched the trailer, looks interesting, gonna have to check it out.

 

I notice this affect a lot on youtube.  I watch two car videos and then thats all that is recommended for the next few days.  Its pretty scary cause without real social interaction, this can turn people psychotic.


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25/09/2020 9:21 pm  

I told him that he was a sheep. Pointed out, how his belief in Christianity, has the literal meaning that he is a sheep and JC ( or god ) guides his flock. 

The lord is my shepherd. 

He didn’t take it well.


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25/09/2020 9:29 pm  
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The world needs more people with optimistic views.  Whats wrong with that? 

What a dumb fucking statement.

What if you’re an axe murder and your optimistic about your next kill? 

What if you’re a dictator and your optimistic view is about how you’re going to suppress a class of people and political ideologies?

See how easy that was? 

He’s optimistic about batshit crazy, totally detached from reality, ideas. 

I’d say there’s something wrong with that.

Jim Jones was optimistic, do you think that ended up being a good thing? 

 

 


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25/09/2020 9:37 pm  
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The world needs more people with optimistic views.  Whats wrong with that? 

What a dumb fucking statement.

What if you’re an axe murder and your optimistic about your next kill? 

What if you’re a dictator and your optimistic view is about how you’re going to suppress a class of people and political ideologies?

See how easy that was? 

He’s optimistic about batshit crazy, totally detached from reality, ideas. 

I’d say there’s something wrong with that.

Jim Jones was optimistic, do you think that ended up being a good thing? 

 

 

Well I dont see Nico physically harming anyone.  That would be a pretty big difference.

 

So youre saying that anyone that believes Jesus/God is gonna come to earth and save them from all the evil in the world is delusional?  This is something that gives people hope in an otherwise disparaging world.  How is that optimism a bad thing?


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25/09/2020 9:52 pm  
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So youre saying that anyone that believes Jesus/God is gonna come to earth and save them from all the evil in the world is delusional?

I’d say that is my belief yes, but that’s not what I was saying.

What I was saying is that it is highly hypocritical to call people sheep and say that is a problem when your personal religion itself is predicted on you being a sheep. 


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25/09/2020 10:33 pm  
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Posted by: @nitro909

I read this earlier today, a lot of things to digest.

I see someone that has hope for the future and believes that positive changes are coming.  Why are people not seeing that as a positive?

You said you read it, right? The answer to your question is “because of what he wrote” (and constantly spews), not to mention the crazed demeanor with which he does it.

In order to boil down one’s perception of his words to simply “a hopeful person who sees a positive future,” you must effectively ignore the actuality of his posts.

There is a lot of ground in between ignoring someones words and having to speak about every word that is said. He believes that bad things are happening but also believes that those things will soon come to an end and the world will be a better place.  The world needs more people with optimistic views.  Whats wrong with that? 

I hear ya.. but also, no. I guess I’d argue against it being “optimism”, and think the sentiment in your response of course, my own perception) must be far toward the “ignoring” end if anything. To read his posts and get that out of it is a big ‘ol “........wut” for me. Nothing personal, I just think he’s gone nuts... after having worked at it for years.

Historically, he has always shared the spot for my #1 favorite of all time, so it’s not someone I care to hold in a negative space, but that doesn’t change reality.

The substance of supposed “positivity” matters. If it’s batshit bullshit, “positive and hopeful” isn’t the takeaway.


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25/09/2020 11:46 pm  
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Posted by: @nitro909

So youre saying that anyone that believes Jesus/God is gonna come to earth and save them from all the evil in the world is delusional?

 

What I was saying is that it is highly hypocritical to call people sheep and say that is a problem when your personal religion itself is predicted on you being a sheep. 

I can see that.  


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25/09/2020 11:53 pm  
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Posted by: @nitro909

I read this earlier today, a lot of things to digest.

I see someone that has hope for the future and believes that positive changes are coming.  Why are people not seeing that as a positive?

You said you read it, right? The answer to your question is “because of what he wrote” (and constantly spews), not to mention the crazed demeanor with which he does it.

In order to boil down one’s perception of his words to simply “a hopeful person who sees a positive future,” you must effectively ignore the actuality of his posts.

There is a lot of ground in between ignoring someones words and having to speak about every word that is said. He believes that bad things are happening but also believes that those things will soon come to an end and the world will be a better place.  The world needs more people with optimistic views.  Whats wrong with that? 

I hear ya. I do. I guess I’d argue against it being “optimism”, and think the sentiment in your response (admittedly, of course, my own perception) must be far toward the “ignoring” end if anything. To read his posts and get that out of it is a big ‘ol “........wut” for me. Of course, nothing personal. I just think he’s gone nuts... after having worked at it for years.

Historically, he has always shared the spot for my #1 favorite of all time along with Gigi, Craig, and Salasnek, so it’s not someone I care to hold in a negative space.

The substance of supposed positivity matters. If it’s batshit bullshit, “positive and hopeful” isn’t the takeaway... again, in my opinion.

I got ya.  I didnt understand a lot of what he was referencing in that last one.  I started following him based off this thread.  I check out some of the links he shares, I find it very interesting.  Interesting and going down the rabbit hole are two totally different things and I can see why some people may get so lost and even delusional by going further through it.  Its nothing new and videos like the ones he shares have been around youtube for a long time.  Ultimately its up to the viewer/listener to determine how much you want to believe, much like watching the news.  Some stuff may be far fetched, but theres also stuff thats 100% true.  Dismissing it as pure fantasy "conspiracy theories" doesnt really help.  I think thats why the Qanon stuff has been getting so big these past few months. 

 

And yes, hes a great rider, but also an individual with his own views.  We sometimes buy gear based off of who the riders are promoting it.  most of the time that is based off their riding, image or their perceived personality.  Not very many riders have a "big/noticeable" voice.  Some do and at that point is where we vote with our dollars.  


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