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Mr. Lomax
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28/08/2020 10:10 am  

Big Sky says no refunds on season pass- they will roll it over to the next season. Lame and AfterLame I say.

 

edit- real question: if a person got their pass pulled at the end of the season last year (pulled for 2weeks) - will that suspension follow over to the next year, even if the last season was cut short??? I guess I will find out

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PacEnDubya
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02/09/2020 6:41 am  

I've heard rumors of resorts no longer offering season passes.  This is not specific to the 20/21 season, but rather ongoing operational changes (presumably thought of to remedy lost revenue due to COVID).  I can't imagine a resort actually doing this- the idea seems completely insane.  

If resorts did do this though, it would be "the end" of the snow industry, imo.  The only people riding/skiing would be people who only wanted to ride between 1 and 3 times/year and were comfortable paying $100+ per lift ticket.  The core riders would be gone...board/gear sales would plummet...etc...


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kimchi
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02/09/2020 9:06 am  
Posted by: @pacendubya

I've heard rumors of resorts no longer offering season passes.  This is not specific to the 20/21 season, but rather ongoing operational changes (presumably thought of to remedy lost revenue due to COVID).  I can't imagine a resort actually doing this- the idea seems completely insane.  

If resorts did do this though, it would be "the end" of the snow industry, imo.  The only people riding/skiing would be people who only wanted to ride between 1 and 3 times/year and were comfortable paying $100+ per lift ticket.  The core riders would be gone...board/gear sales would plummet...etc...

When you say "resorts" are we talking big time resorts, little local ones, or across the industry?

I wouldn't mind if at least some resorts move back to the way things were ~15 years ago: expensive season passes with relatively cheaper day passes. 

The mega pass play over the past 10 years has basically been about selling as many season passes as possible but at the expense of snow dabblers and concentrating crowds in a handful of resorts and degrading individual experience at those resorts. The resorts try to squeeze as much revenue as possible from the people who can afford $100-200 day passes. That also limits the ability to grow snow sports because it's stupid expensive to even try  

In Europe and Asia, you can still roll up and get a day pass for like $60-80 at world-class resorts. 

I'd love to be able to get a slightly more expensive mega pass, but still have the option of dropping in on other resorts. I don't have any interest in giving Heavenly $180, but Id drop in occasionally to ride with friends for $80. 


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PacEnDubya
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02/09/2020 9:20 am  
Posted by: @kimchi
Posted by: @pacendubya

I've heard rumors of resorts no longer offering season passes.  This is not specific to the 20/21 season, but rather ongoing operational changes (presumably thought of to remedy lost revenue due to COVID).  I can't imagine a resort actually doing this- the idea seems completely insane.  

If resorts did do this though, it would be "the end" of the snow industry, imo.  The only people riding/skiing would be people who only wanted to ride between 1 and 3 times/year and were comfortable paying $100+ per lift ticket.  The core riders would be gone...board/gear sales would plummet...etc...

When you say "resorts" are we talking big time resorts, little local ones, or across the industry?

I wouldn't mind if at least some resorts move back to the way things were ~15 years ago: expensive season passes with relatively cheaper day passes. 

The mega pass play over the past 10 years has basically been about selling as many season passes as possible but at the expense of snow dabblers and concentrating crowds in a handful of resorts and degrading individual experience at those resorts. The resorts try to squeeze as much revenue as possible from the people who can afford $100-200 day passes. That also limits the ability to grow snow sports because it's stupid expensive to even try  

In Europe and Asia, you can still roll up and get a day pass for like $60-80 at world-class resorts. 

I'd love to be able to get a slightly more expensive mega pass, but still have the option of dropping in on other resorts. I don't have any interest in giving Heavenly $180, but Id drop in occasionally to ride with friends for $80. 

I'd say "big time resorts."  Unfortunately, from what I've heard (and again, these are just rumors and I actually don't think they will come to fruition) there will not be a corresponding reduction in day ticket cost.


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pow_hnd
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02/09/2020 12:07 pm  
Posted by: @pacendubya

I've heard rumors of resorts no longer offering season passes.

Unless you can substantiate that with a valid source, that's a 45 type of statement. I work for a resort ( and a big time one at that ) and have absolutely heard nothing even remotely close to this.. 

And I have plenty of friends that work for all the major players. Crickets on this. And these people work in MGMT.

Where and from whom did you hear this? 


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PacEnDubya
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02/09/2020 12:15 pm  
Posted by: @pow_hnd
Posted by: @pacendubya

I've heard rumors of resorts no longer offering season passes.

Unless you can substantiate that with a valid source, that's a 45 type of statement. I work for a resort and have absolutely heard nothing even remotely close to this.. 

 

Where and from whom did you hear this? 

Like I said: rumor.  Also, like I said, I don't think it will happen.  Heard this from a friend/employee of a resort; The idea was recently floated in one of their planning meetings.

Did you somehow take my comment as though I was stating a fact?  I thought I was pretty clear...


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pow_hnd
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02/09/2020 12:37 pm  
Posted by: @pacendubya

Did you somehow take my comment as though I was stating a fact?

No I took it as a rumor, just like you said. But rumors can be started but people who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. ( your friend ) 

I have no idea what resort this is you're talking about, but it would be dumb.

I was previously in MGMT at a destination resort, and as stated still work at a destination resort and have friends across all major players. 

Resorts don't make money from season passes or lift tickets per se. That make the money by selling those to get people to the mountain and then the people buy concessions/lodging/ etc, etc, etc.

That is where resorts make their money.

In a time like this it would be suicide to stop offering cheap passes. Almost everyone is going reservations this year. Pass holders get priority. Those people will get to the mountain and buy stuff. If people had to dick around and hope to get a reservation when they are not a priority person ( pass holder ) it would be discouraging to say the least. Honestly with the reservation system resorts are going to be able to control overhead quite well, because they know how many people will be there on a given day. Also with a weakened economy a lower pass price will get people there, not going backwards to expensive lift tickets, which has statistically shown that those individuals frequent resorts less ( daily ticket buyers ) and therefore spend less at the resort.  The cheap/mega pass is the rope-a-dope. 

Maybe someone did float that idea, maybe someone threw an orange at their head across the table after they said it and was told "remember when I told you being dumb was going to start hurting"...


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PacEnDubya
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02/09/2020 1:33 pm  
Posted by: @pow_hnd
Posted by: @pacendubya

Did you somehow take my comment as though I was stating a fact?

No I took it as a rumor, just like you said. But rumors can be started but people who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. ( your friend ) 

 

It feels as though you are being argumentative, yet we disagree about nothing.

My friend didn't assert that "she knew what she was talking about."  Instead, she simply told me what management discussed during a meeting that she attended.  It's as simple as that.


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02/09/2020 1:42 pm  
Posted by: @pow_hnd

 

It feels as though you are being argumentative, yet we disagree about nothing.

I guess what I’m saying is I’m tired of “rumors”

 

If something is worth mentioning say where it came from. 

I.E. this resort floated the idea... or this company discussed this idea... 

 

I also understand discretion. I regularly work high-end private dinners/meetings in the industry where I have to sign a NDA for everything I might hear during these functions. 

But I don’t think that would be the case with your friend, seeing as they mentioned it to you and also and we on here would not have a fucking clue to as whom your friend might be. 


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PacEnDubya
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03/09/2020 6:46 am  
Posted by: @pow_hnd
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It feels as though you are being argumentative, yet we disagree about nothing.

I guess what I’m saying is I’m tired of “rumors”

 

 

I've been on EL for quite some time, through many different versions.  Over the years I have intentionally avoided arguments; I'm here on an old school style forum because I like to play snowboards, and speak to like minded people about snowboards.  

Yet, here we are, not really arguing about anything- you just need to vent about your distaste for rumors.  It's a chat room.  You sound like a dick.

I am 100% done with this conversation.


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pow_hnd
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03/09/2020 7:46 am  
Posted by: @pacendubya
Posted by: @pow_hnd
Posted by: @pow_hnd

 

It feels as though you are being argumentative, yet we disagree about nothing.

I guess what I’m saying is I’m tired of “rumors”

 

 

I've been on EL for quite some time, through many different versions.  Over the years I have intentionally avoided arguments; I'm here on an old school style forum because I like to play snowboards, and speak to like minded people about snowboards.  

Yet, here we are, not really arguing about anything- you just need to vent about your distaste for rumors.  It's a chat room.  You sound like a dick.

I am 100% done with this conversation.

Sorry, I'm not really trying to come across as that. I've been on multiple versions of this site as well. Congrats. 

Maybe it's the current climate, that as given me a disdain for "rumors"

I would say that your story changed though, which gives me some credence to what my point is.

You said "rumors" that's plural, then you said "resorts" that's plural... 

Then when pressed for more details, it was one single conversation with one individual about someone who raised a topic one time at a meeting.... 

Hardly "rumors" that "resorts" are thinking of something... 

So. I'm not a dick, but that "rumor" would mean something to me, and my profession. So I asked for context, it was very apparent, very quickly, that is was not "rumors" about "resorts"...

So yea, I expressed how I dislike that kind of hyperbolely...

Sorry it came of dickish, truly.

 

If was intending to be a dick you'd know it.  


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16/09/2020 12:03 pm  

I want to get excited about this winter. I really want to. 

 

But Charlie Brown also really wanted to kick that ball.


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16/09/2020 2:58 pm  

If I buy an Epic pass, book my trip to wherever, is there a chance I will be turned away at the lift?

Debating on parting with the cash for a pass during end times


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16/09/2020 4:32 pm  

less than 24h to redeem my credit from last year's Epic Pass/early closure toward a pass for this season.  I've gone back and forth for months and I just can't seem to be excited about getting a pass and riding my home hill (Stevens Pass).  I love my hill and love snowboarding more than ever but it just feels off.  This may be the first time in 24 years of snowboarding that I kind of don't care.

Crowds, traffic, reservations, Vail, global warming and somehow more people getting into snow sports making it all worse is severely affecting my attitude and love of the game.  It's all too fucking depressing and the charm and genuine enjoyment feel fleeting.  It's like there's a massive disparity between the highs of making turns and the lows of the lift line or the drive to/from or just seeing more people in spots they didn't used to be.  For the first time snowboarding feels like a complication to my life.  I can't stop being a snowboarder or turn off the angsty incessant obsessive itch I get to snowboard but the situation these last few years, obv this last year, makes it tough to be hyped in the same way.

This past season I got some great turns with friends but it all seemed like a frantic desperate grab to recapture the vibe from a few years ago.  Somehow it's all gone to shit these last two years especially here in WA.

If the border is still closed that also takes BC off the plate and puts everyone who would have been Whistler tourists on any given day right back in the lift line at Stevens, Crystal etc.

EL WA/PNW homies, what are you feeling?

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PacEnDubya
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16/09/2020 6:34 pm  
Posted by: @soymateo

 

EL WA/PNW homies, what are you feeling?

Sorry to hear that your stoke is getting dimmed- and hope that factors change to bring the stoke back in full.

I've had ebbing and flowing stoke levels over the past handful of seasons, for various reasons.  Like you, crowds (and a corresponding change in vibe) and the fear of the consequences of global warming have been factors.  That said, I'm lucky to ride at Timberline; even on a "crowded" day, Timberline doesn't have lift lines like other resorts.  Long story short, we're saved by a relatively small parking lot.  In terms of global warming and how it effects snow pack, riding conditions, and the general ability to ride- I haven't seen any direct impact (for clarity, I see the impacts of global warming taking place in the world, I'm just saying that my riding hasn't been effected).  So, I've forced myself into the state of mind where I'm not going to dwell about the potential impact of global warming in relation to snowboarding until their is a direct, personal effect.

Other factors have hindered my enjoyment in the past as well.  One, is being busy and stressed at work.  The other is depression.  At the end of the (shortened) season last year, I came to the conclusion that most (if not all) of the negative feelings I was having were the direct result of depression.  Recognizing this was a game changer.

Timberline hasn't released their plan for the upcoming season.  From what I've heard, things sound promising.  Still, I'm still a bit apprehensive because there are many unknowns.

At the end of the day, I'm cautiously optimistic about the upcoming season.  It will different for sure- but I'm hyped as hell.

Vibes to all who aren't stoked on playing snowboards-  Hope you can find a way to get it back.

 


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