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Spenser
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12/08/2019 12:44 pm  

That’s all I was really getting at. They really don’t make them like they used to, but it’s hard to kill the old reputation.

Planned obsolescence is the name of the game now, so if you drive your new vehicle less than 100k, it’s less likely to apply to you.

The US models are not the same cars being built to stay in Europe, which may still be made very well (like Mercedes, BMW, etc).

You can’t trust lists like those from JD power - they are paid and essentially just advertising for the companies that choose to buy into them.  They don’t/can’t represent actual quality or durability, and the true best vehicles out there will likely not be on any of those lists,  especially because they haven’t been made for at least 20 years 😜 Mechanics often laugh at those lists when they see what’s on them..


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12/08/2019 2:06 pm  

JD Power is a complete joke....some dude put his name on a trophy and gives it out to companies?? For a nominal fee 🤔 

I would be very cautious buying a newer "luxury" vehicle. More than likely I would go lease route if I was into that lifestyle

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12/08/2019 2:47 pm  
Posted by: Spenser

That’s all I was really getting at. They really don’t make them like they used to, but it’s hard to kill the old reputation.

Planned obsolescence is the name of the game now, so if you drive your new vehicle less than 100k, it’s less likely to apply to you.

The US models are not the same cars being built to stay in Europe, which may still be made very well (like Mercedes, BMW, etc).

You can’t trust lists like those from JD power - they are paid and essentially just advertising for the companies that choose to buy into them.  They don’t/can’t represent actual quality or durability, and the true best vehicles out there will likely not be on any of those lists,  especially because they haven’t been made for at least 20 years 😜 Mechanics often laugh at those lists when they see what’s on them..

Then trust the lists from sources like Consumer Reports, instead.

For some manufacturers, there may be variance between US models and those destined for other markets. For others, there really isn't. Sure, there will be a left-hand or right-hand drive version or some models which aren't available in diesel in the US, but beyond that differences are often limited to cosmetic changes like the size/shape of the indention in the bumper that houses the licenses plate. Many cars are mechanically the same market-to-market. Some have literally no differences at all. This is why companies like Volvo or BMW can offer programs where customers take delivery of their new car in Europe, straight from the manufacturer, where they can drive it around on holiday for a couple of weeks before shipping it back to the US. Those cars don't need special parts or service vs the ones shipped here from the same factories before they're sold, because they are the same cars produced at the same factories.

As for planned obsolescence, or a "they don't make them like they used to" comparison of older vs newer cars, there are a lot of factors at play that we're not talking about here. Things like legally-mandated safety systems, emissions controls, or fuel efficiency requirements have yielded much more complex cars. Customer demands for increased comfort and convenience features have doubled-down on that complexity. Cars today have ridiculous integrated systems that constantly monitor and adjust multiple aspects of the cars function for traction and stability control, emissions, fuel efficiency, climate comfort, accident avoidance, lane keeping, and a host of other items - and these cars carry out those functions for years of ownership and thousands of hours of use without issue. It is amazing to me that I can go buy a car for less than $45K that can park itself, come pick me up in a parking lot on its own, and autonomously drive me on the highway (Tesla Model 3 RWD, standard range battery, with full autopilot option) - and "later this year" it will auto-upgrade to drive autonomously on city streets, too! for comparison's sake, $45K adjusted for inflation is about $29K in 1999 money. That was the MSRP for a base model BMW 323iS coupe or a Volvo V70XC.

Cars produced more-recently may not be as easy or inexpensive to maintain as those produced 20+ years ago, and their complexity may make them more difficult to keep on the road for more than 15 years, or with higher mileage - but they are MUCH better in terms of every other metric. They are safer, more efficient, more comfortable, and more convenient. Unless I am forced to economically or have the opportunity to purchase something that is collectible as a second car (like an old Alfa or some such), I plan to only drive and own newer cars as a result.


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01/12/2019 4:27 am  

The "best" car i can think of right now is the skyactive X mazda 3 awd. Other than the kind of meh looks it ticks all the boxes.


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24/01/2020 10:56 pm  

in brighter news, just ordered some beefy A/T tires (Falken Wildpeak A/T Trail SL) to carry me through the winter and maybe they’ll stay on through the summer. really only need rear tires right now, but my go-to all seasons (Sumitomo HTR A/S P0S) have been feeling a little sloppy this season (probably mostly those two worn rear tires), so I’m looking forward to getting a little more grip and helping the Tiguan look a little more tough. 


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27/07/2020 12:29 am  

Picking up my first Yota ever tomorrow.. land cruiser 80 with a really solid frame & body. Old snow friend/mechanic was selling it when I was hoping to find another XJ to replace my body. I would have gone one notch down on this, but it has a 4” OME lift with 315s (shy of 35”) and the fixings. He replaced everything it needed and gave it a tune up & did fluid/grease servicing too. Rides nice and runs smooth, feels like a tank. I sit way higher in the air than my Jeep, hah. Stoked to keep a vehicle with a straight 6, the 1fz-fe, and move to body on frame for better towing. Plenty of room for a mild micro-camper conversion, too. Considering what nice ones still go for, I got a nice price and it’s turn-key.

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27/07/2020 7:29 am  
Posted by: @coleslawed

in brighter news, just ordered some beefy A/T tires (Falken Wildpeak A/T Trail SL) to carry me through the winter and maybe they’ll stay on through the summer. really only need rear tires right now, but my go-to all seasons (Sumitomo HTR A/S P0S) have been feeling a little sloppy this season (probably mostly those two worn rear tires), so I’m looking forward to getting a little more grip and helping the Tiguan look a little more tough. 

I've been running the Wildpeak ATs for a bit less than a year and they seem to be wearing quite fast. Also, I feel I didn't have the same grip as when I was running Kumho AT51.

However, I'm running them on a heavier vehicle which could possibly account for both. idk. How do you like yours?


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27/07/2020 7:32 am  
Posted by: @c-fuzzy
Posted by: @coleslawed

in brighter news, just ordered some beefy A/T tires (Falken Wildpeak A/T Trail SL) to carry me through the winter and maybe they’ll stay on through the summer. really only need rear tires right now, but my go-to all seasons (Sumitomo HTR A/S P0S) have been feeling a little sloppy this season (probably mostly those two worn rear tires), so I’m looking forward to getting a little more grip and helping the Tiguan look a little more tough. 

I've been running the Wildpeak ATs for a bit less than a year and they seem to be wearing quite fast. Also, I feel I didn't have the same grip as when I was running Kumho AT51.

However, I'm running them on a heavier vehicle which could possibly account for both. idk. How do you like yours?

I'm not seeing any excessive wear on these bad boys, but it's definitely an improvement in grip over my previous performance all-seasons.


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27/07/2020 8:04 am  

Got myself a new for me boards and bike hauler. 

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27/07/2020 6:27 pm  

@unsuspected, what model is that? can't figure out since the trims seems to be different from what we have in the US. looks good. 


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27/07/2020 6:43 pm  

I had Wildpeak ATs on my old Ranger and even sandbagged, 4x4 low or high, they were god awful in slush/wet snow.. but, they were better then the cheap Cheng Shins I have on my 2wd Ranger LOL


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27/07/2020 8:58 pm  

@spenser , really nice car. older land cruiser looks so good, 70s series is my dream car, or a land rover defender 😀 


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27/07/2020 9:19 pm  
Posted by: @notmikebuckley

I had Wildpeak ATs on my old Ranger and even sandbagged, 4x4 low or high, they were god awful in slush/wet snow.. but, they were better then the cheap Cheng Shins I have on my 2wd Ranger LOL

I think the Wildpeak name has been used for a while. However, the newer AT3W is a great tire. The only all terrain I trusted on snow in my Land Cruiser. Nitto Terra Grapplers were the worst. I found the AT3W better than the BFG KO2s.


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27/07/2020 9:33 pm  
Posted by: @krazysk8er

@spenser , really nice car. older land cruiser looks so good, 70s series is my dream car, or a land rover defender 😀 

I’ve said for a while that if I could have any vehicle in the world, it would be a 70, so I feel ya 😜

Today he wrote me a complete list of the work he did, and there’s nothing left to do, which is nice. Just brought it home. Girlfriend’s 4Runner looks little now

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28/07/2020 2:03 am  
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Posted by: @notmikebuckley

I had Wildpeak ATs on my old Ranger and even sandbagged, 4x4 low or high, they were god awful in slush/wet snow.. but, they were better then the cheap Cheng Shins I have on my 2wd Ranger LOL

I think the Wildpeak name has been used for a while. However, the newer AT3W is a great tire. The only all terrain I trusted on snow in my Land Cruiser. Nitto Terra Grapplers were the worst. I found the AT3W better than the BFG KO2s.

Heavily debated trying the AT3W when I sized up on my Jeep, but I have really liked the KO2 and can get them locally & at Costco price. That’s definitely the other tire I’d choose, though.

My girlfriend had Duratracs on her last 4Runner, and they’re fine, but they were slightly loud (equivalent size to mine) and IMO there’s noticeably better winter bite with KO2.

This cruiser I just got has duratracs that are maybe 50% worn, which I plan to get rid of before winter. It came with a new full size KO2 spare, so thinking I’m gonna stick with them again. But, what all did you like better about the falkens?


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