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28/07/2020 2:49 am  
Posted by: @krazysk8er

@unsuspected, what model is that? can't figure out since the trims seems to be different from what we have in the US. looks good. 

VW Golf R SC MK7 -17 with stage 1 tune and smaller engine upgrades.


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28/07/2020 2:21 pm  

I found the AT3W to be quieter and more comfortable on road while also being very predictable in the snow. Like I said, it was by far the best A/T tire I've ever owned. From Nitto to Toyo to BFG. Good tread life warranty too if I remember. I wouldn't say it's significantly better than the BFG, so if you can get those cheaper I'd go that route. I think I got mine for a bit less the the BFG at the time.


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28/07/2020 10:30 pm  

Thanks, good to know. I think with the Costco factor & already having a new spare, KO2 again


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31/07/2020 9:13 am  
Posted by: @yukiotokosama

I found the AT3W to be quieter and more comfortable on road while also being very predictable in the snow. Like I said, it was by far the best A/T tire I've ever owned. From Nitto to Toyo to BFG. Good tread life warranty too if I remember. I wouldn't say it's significantly better than the BFG, so if you can get those cheaper I'd go that route. I think I got mine for a bit less the the BFG at the time.

I've been super pleased with AT3W on my Tacoma, especially in snow.  Cheap too.  I think my most recent set was like $450 (265/70/17).  I've heard of a number of people who have had to get multiple replacements because they couldn't get tires to properly balance, but I haven't had that issue over 2 different sets.

 


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31/07/2020 9:28 am  

Bit cliched, but I bought a Subie last November. Used 2018 Forester Touring with turbo engine. Fit my needs for hybrid city / adventure car.

Got some issues with the tech / user interface, but that thing rules for performance. Super predictable and powerful acceleration, great general handling. I tried out a few other options (non-turbo newer Forester, Honda CR V, Toyota RAV 4) and just wasn't impressed.

Only meaningful complaint is the gas mileage is just ok (~24 mpg combined, 26-27 if I'm on a road trip and exclusively driving on the highway) and the turbo engine requires premium gas.

I had wanted to pick up an electric, but electric SUVs are still bank and I don't think the charging infrastructure is quite there for the type of trips I do (lot of driving to remote wilderness trailheads in summer and fall). I'm hoping that market shifts by the time I drive this car into the ground and get a new one (~10 years)?


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31/07/2020 9:40 am  
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Bit cliched, but I bought a Subie last November. Used 2018 Forester Touring with turbo engine. Fit my needs for hybrid city / adventure car.

Got some issues with the tech / user interface, but that thing rules for performance. Super predictable and powerful acceleration, great general handling. I tried out a few other options (non-turbo newer Forester, Honda CR V, Toyota RAV 4) and just wasn't impressed.

Only meaningful complaint is the gas mileage is just ok (~24 mpg combined, 26-27 if I'm on a road trip and exclusively driving on the highway) and the turbo engine requires premium gas.

I had wanted to pick up an electric, but electric SUVs are still bank and I don't think the charging infrastructure is quite there for the type of trips I do (lot of driving to remote wilderness trailheads in summer and fall). I'm hoping that market shifts by the time I drive this car into the ground and get a new one (~10 years)?

Yeah, we had a 2018 Outback that we sold way early simply because the tech was SOOOO glitchy, and so much about the car was tied into the tech.  That was after 2 previous Outbacks that we loved. 

 

I got an electric SUV about 8 months ago.  It's such a pleasure to drive, and I'm mostly sold on electric, but I think I've charged it away from home a total of 2 times, and don't even want to deal with the stress of trying to plan a road trip in it.  Anything not Tesla, and the infrastructure just isn't there.  I've heard nightmare stories of people driving an our out of their way just to make it to a charger (that may or may not be occupied or functioning properly) in order to be able to make it to their ultimate destination. 

 


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31/07/2020 10:09 am  
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Bit cliched, but I bought a Subie last November. Used 2018 Forester Touring with turbo engine. Fit my needs for hybrid city / adventure car.

Got some issues with the tech / user interface, but that thing rules for performance. Super predictable and powerful acceleration, great general handling. I tried out a few other options (non-turbo newer Forester, Honda CR V, Toyota RAV 4) and just wasn't impressed.

Only meaningful complaint is the gas mileage is just ok (~24 mpg combined, 26-27 if I'm on a road trip and exclusively driving on the highway) and the turbo engine requires premium gas.

I had wanted to pick up an electric, but electric SUVs are still bank and I don't think the charging infrastructure is quite there for the type of trips I do (lot of driving to remote wilderness trailheads in summer and fall). I'm hoping that market shifts by the time I drive this car into the ground and get a new one (~10 years)?

Yeah, we had a 2018 Outback that we sold way early simply because the tech was SOOOO glitchy, and so much about the car was tied into the tech.  That was after 2 previous Outbacks that we loved. 

 

I got an electric SUV about 8 months ago.  It's such a pleasure to drive, and I'm mostly sold on electric, but I think I've charged it away from home a total of 2 times, and don't even want to deal with the stress of trying to plan a road trip in it.  Anything not Tesla, and the infrastructure just isn't there.  I've heard nightmare stories of people driving an our out of their way just to make it to a charger (that may or may not be occupied or functioning properly) in order to be able to make it to their ultimate destination. 

 

Yea. I don't think it's anywhere near bad enough that I'd sell it, but the Eyesight Lane Departure alarm is pretty terrible. Routinely gets confused when lanes merge and the lines disppear. Lots of false alarms. Definitely would not trust it on any kind of meaningful autopilot. Hopefully Subie's addressed that in newer versions.

And yep, that's exactly what I'd fear for an electric. I'm sure it'd be great for daily commuting and day trips close to home where you don't have to worry about a charge (or if you're going to some commercial plaza with charging stations). But even with a Tesla, charging stations are only really available off major artery freeways. I'd be fine for 95% of driving situations, but maybe half a dozen times a year I'm driving for at least an hour on isolated mountain roads in the middle of nowhere with no cell signal to get to some trailhead. I'd need to super carefully plan out my route, whereas with a gas vehicle I can stop at even the smallest one-horse town and fill up when I need to.


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31/07/2020 10:47 am  

24mpg sounds amazing


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02/08/2020 8:51 am  

Still the best vehicle I've ever owned... 25-28mpg, never have gotten stuck ( intermountain snow ) and I can get inside to change at the resort/trail head 

 

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And now I'm keeping the miles off it in the summer by riding this to work everyday... 

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It gets a no-bullshit 130mpg... I can ride to work everyday all week long for less than $3 


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02/08/2020 10:02 pm  

I average about 15 miles per gallon in my volvo around town and 20 on the highway. The price of luxury and driving like a dipshit I guess...


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03/08/2020 12:55 am  

The highest MPG of a vehicle I actually like & would own is that of a bluetec diesel sprinter on the highway. Otherwise, it’s the mid teens. Here, it’s a relatively small price to pay to be in a vehicle I love, every day, which I can easily source cheapish parts for & do all work myself. Annual cost is more important.

But, I might need to start riding a bike to the liquor store


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03/08/2020 9:51 am  
Posted by: @pow_hnd

Still the best vehicle I've ever owned... 25-28mpg, never have gotten stuck ( intermountain snow ) and I can get inside to change at the resort/trail head 

 

IMG 0420

And now I'm keeping the miles off it in the summer by riding this to work everyday... 

IMG 3118

It gets a no-bullshit 130mpg... I can ride to work everyday all week long for less than $3 

+1 to @pow_hnd's dope van. I offered to drive in my rental truck when I visited, but he insisted... totally got why when we were gearing up comfortably in the back.


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01/09/2020 11:41 pm  
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Posted by: @yukiotokosama

I found the AT3W to be quieter and more comfortable on road while also being very predictable in the snow. Like I said, it was by far the best A/T tire I've ever owned. From Nitto to Toyo to BFG. Good tread life warranty too if I remember. I wouldn't say it's significantly better than the BFG, so if you can get those cheaper I'd go that route. I think I got mine for a bit less the the BFG at the time.

I've been super pleased with AT3W on my Tacoma, especially in snow.  Cheap too.  I think my most recent set was like $450 (265/70/17).  I've heard of a number of people who have had to get multiple replacements because they couldn't get tires to properly balance, but I haven't had that issue over 2 different sets.

 

Given that I couldn’t swiftly get the KO2 locally after I bought this new rig, I had to think of other options and went deep into being a nerd about tires again. Long story short, I found out that Falken recently changed their AT3W rubber compound in production runs for cost savings and they are testing differently in the same winter conditions, not for the better. I was leaning on the general grabber ATX, and then ended up talking to a renowned rally driver (Joe Bacal) who does tire testing and development for various co’s AT & offroad options, most of them directly competing with each other. Among other information and feedback, I ended up ordering the new Toyo AT3 today. Big improvement over the old long-running AT2, which I have extensive winter experience with. I’m actually glad I didn’t end up getting another set of KO2, although I know they’d work. In winter and wet conditions, plus road noise and dry handling, the just-previous Falken that everyone has been driving was testing right on par with the Toyo across the board, but these are 7 pounds lighter in my size and I just kinda “like” them a bit more. Only three 315 AT3W in stock anyway.

ultimately the things a professional driver picks up on is beyond any sort of use I am going to experience, but why not consider their feedback 🤷‍♂️


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02/09/2020 12:18 am  
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Posted by: @yukiotokosama

I found the AT3W to be quieter and more comfortable on road while also being very predictable in the snow. Like I said, it was by far the best A/T tire I've ever owned. From Nitto to Toyo to BFG. Good tread life warranty too if I remember. I wouldn't say it's significantly better than the BFG, so if you can get those cheaper I'd go that route. I think I got mine for a bit less the the BFG at the time.

I've been super pleased with AT3W on my Tacoma, especially in snow.  Cheap too.  I think my most recent set was like $450 (265/70/17).  I've heard of a number of people who have had to get multiple replacements because they couldn't get tires to properly balance, but I haven't had that issue over 2 different sets.

 

Given that I couldn’t swiftly get the KO2 locally after I bought this new rig, I had to think of other options and went deep into being a nerd about tires again. Long story short, I found out that Falken recently changed their AT3W rubber compound in production runs for cost savings and they are testing differently in the same winter conditions, not for the better. I was leaning on the general grabber ATX, and then ended up talking to a renowned rally driver (Joe Bacal) who does tire testing and development for various co’s AT & offroad options, most of them directly competing with each other. Among other information and feedback, I ended up ordering the new Toyo AT3 today. Big improvement over the old long-running AT2, which I have extensive winter experience with. I’m actually glad I didn’t end up getting another set of KO2, although I know they’d work. In winter and wet conditions, plus road noise and dry handling, the just-previous Falken that everyone has been driving was testing right on par with the Toyo across the board, but these are 7 pounds lighter in my size and I just kinda “like” them a bit more. Only three 315 AT3W in stock anyway.

ultimately the things a professional driver picks up on is beyond any sort of use I am going to experience, but why not consider their feedback 🤷‍♂️

Sucks the hear that about the Falkens. What a shame. I had AT2s before that and really liked them. Wasn't aware they had a new one out, but just took a look and they look great. If I'm ever back in the market for AT tires I'll keep those in mind.


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02/09/2020 6:25 am  
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Posted by: @yukiotokosama

I found the AT3W to be quieter and more comfortable on road while also being very predictable in the snow. Like I said, it was by far the best A/T tire I've ever owned. From Nitto to Toyo to BFG. Good tread life warranty too if I remember. I wouldn't say it's significantly better than the BFG, so if you can get those cheaper I'd go that route. I think I got mine for a bit less the the BFG at the time.

I've been super pleased with AT3W on my Tacoma, especially in snow.  Cheap too.  I think my most recent set was like $450 (265/70/17).  I've heard of a number of people who have had to get multiple replacements because they couldn't get tires to properly balance, but I haven't had that issue over 2 different sets.

 

Given that I couldn’t swiftly get the KO2 locally after I bought this new rig, I had to think of other options and went deep into being a nerd about tires again. Long story short, I found out that Falken recently changed their AT3W rubber compound in production runs for cost savings and they are testing differently in the same winter conditions, not for the better. I was leaning on the general grabber ATX, and then ended up talking to a renowned rally driver (Joe Bacal) who does tire testing and development for various co’s AT & offroad options, most of them directly competing with each other. Among other information and feedback, I ended up ordering the new Toyo AT3 today. Big improvement over the old long-running AT2, which I have extensive winter experience with. I’m actually glad I didn’t end up getting another set of KO2, although I know they’d work. In winter and wet conditions, plus road noise and dry handling, the just-previous Falken that everyone has been driving was testing right on par with the Toyo across the board, but these are 7 pounds lighter in my size and I just kinda “like” them a bit more. Only three 315 AT3W in stock anyway.

ultimately the things a professional driver picks up on is beyond any sort of use I am going to experience, but why not consider their feedback 🤷‍♂️

Bummer indeed about the Falkens, as I'm probably due for new tires at some point this Winter.  thanks for the heads up.

 


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