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matty
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You stay safe, too.

Saul Alinsky and Bernie Sanders forever. Interesting that the two leftist boogeymen you find so offensive and choose to "accuse" me of following are both Jews. It almost makes one wonder WHY you find them to be so scary...


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Posted by: @matty

You stay safe, too.

Saul Alinsky and Bernie Sanders forever. Interesting that the two leftist boogeymen you find so offensive and choose to "accuse" me of following are both Jews. It almost makes one wonder WHY you find them to be so scary...

Ah...there it is...The racist card.  Now I'm being accused of Anti-Semitism, one of the leftest favorite accusation.  Text book Rules for Radicals... 


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Triggered?


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Triggered?

Nope, just think you are a really fucked up individual...


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Triggered?

Nope, just think you are a really fucked up individual...

Please. Tell me more.


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If you can't win the argument, play the race card. So common its comical.


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Juneau this week. Fire & Rescue gave our medical air service an iso-pod for transporting patients. Trips me out to see this with such a familiar backdrop.. really places it “here,” where it’s otherwise not really in your face on a daily basis.

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Has been sounding like the state has done a good job of responding so far, and we have a level of natural isolation I think no other state does (low pop, quite large distance between most towns, limited ability to travel) but as with any locale, time will tell.


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If you can't win the argument, play the race card. So common its comical.

Certainly not all of the quarantine/isolation protesters are bigots, but there are some visible ones who are and bigotry has been an increasingly troubling and visibly prevalent part of conservative politics. Saul Alinsky was not a socialist, though his political radicalism and advocacy for disruptive action by disenfranchised minority groups has often been misinterpreted as such. There is well-documented antisemitic sentiment within a lot of alt-right conspiracy theory notions, with Alinsky, Sanders, and George Soros being denigrated for their Jewishness and assumed membership in some sort of Jewish deep-state illicit plot to disenfranchise "whites". Hence you have a chant of "Jews Will Not Replace Us" at the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville and some recent Coronavirus protesters waving around antisemitic signs.

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2020/04/some-ohio-coronavirus-protesters-using-anti-semitism-symbolism.html?fbclid=IwAR1bSSQjyPKXSelmOeVj5Ob-cbCOGtvgi7DZazpG-OsOaK5yA-2ECmyM2ew

You and Mike may not like "guilt by association", but you unsettlingly don't seem too upset that these folks have taken up residence under your tent, either.

As for "win[ning] the argument", this is not a zero-sum game. Your view of the world seems completely obsessed with being adversarial, but cooperation is what is needed in times like these.

Also: "bigotry" is a more accurate term than "racism". Not all members of the Jewish community consider themselves to be a separate race, and race is a slippery concept when trying to differentiate phenotypically non-distinguishable groups within a society. That's why the Nazis made Jewish Germans, Austrians, Poles, etc. wear yellow stars of David on their clothing. Otherwise, a German just looks like a German.


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Posted by: @matty

You stay safe, too.

Saul Alinsky and Bernie Sanders forever. Interesting that the two leftist boogeymen you find so offensive and choose to "accuse" me of following are both Jews. It almost makes one wonder WHY you find them to be so scary...

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If you can't win the argument, play the race card. So common its comical.

Certainly not all of the quarantine/isolation protesters are bigots, but there are some visible ones who are and bigotry has been an increasingly troubling and visibly prevalent part of conservative politics. Saul Alinsky was not a socialist, though his political radicalism and advocacy for disruptive action by disenfranchised minority groups has often been misinterpreted as such. There is well-documented antisemitic sentiment within a lot of alt-right conspiracy theory notions, with Alinsky, Sanders, and George Soros being denigrated for their Jewishness and assumed membership in some sort of Jewish deep-state illicit plot to disenfranchise "whites". Hence you have a chant of "Jews Will Not Replace Us" at the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville and some recent Coronavirus protesters waving around antisemitic signs.

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2020/04/some-ohio-coronavirus-protesters-using-anti-semitism-symbolism.html?fbclid=IwAR1bSSQjyPKXSelmOeVj5Ob-cbCOGtvgi7DZazpG-OsOaK5yA-2ECmyM2ew

You and Mike may not like "guilt by association", but you unsettlingly don't seem too upset that these folks have taken up residence under your tent, either.

As for "win[ning] the argument", this is not a zero-sum game. Your view of the world seems completely obsessed with being adversarial, but cooperation is what is needed in times like these.

Also: "bigotry" is a more accurate term than "racism". Not all members of the Jewish community consider themselves to be a separate race, and race is a slippery concept when trying to differentiate phenotypically non-distinguishable groups within a society. That's why the Nazis made Jewish Germans, Austrians, Poles, etc. wear yellow stars of David on their clothing. Otherwise, a German just looks like a German.

Mate, not sure that is a good direction for this discussion.

You have already won the argument on the Coronavirus situation comprehensively/in pretty much all respects. I know it is frustrating to debate with Doc or MikeHoncho when they just keep shouting their unfounded and delusional (and yes, in many instances bigoted) nonsense in the face of facts/reality, but there is no point going after them personally. They already do an outstanding job in discrediting their own positions and arguments.

When they go low, go high.

 


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I read zero personal attacks on Matty's part.


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Who cares, let’s talk about coronavirus.  GA and CO loosening some restrictions.  Y’all in favour or not?t

 

And wowzers, the outbreak at the Cargill meat plant.  That’s bad.


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Posted by: @coleslawed

I read zero personal attacks on Matty's part.

 

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You stay safe, too.

Saul Alinsky and Bernie Sanders forever. Interesting that the two leftist boogeymen you find so offensive and choose to "accuse" me of following are both Jews. It almost makes one wonder WHY you find them to be so scary...

 

I read it that matty questioned their motivations/intentions. I can see where he is coming from, but I think there is no need for that (even if meant sarcastically or even tongue in cheek).


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Fuckin’ Marty as usual, that guy


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matty
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I read zero personal attacks on Matty's part.

I read it that matty questioned their motivations/intentions. I can see where he is coming from, but I think there is no need for that.

No personal attacks intended beyond maybe pointing out Doc's excessively adversarial nature - which doesn't seem to me to be particularly much of an attack.

Beyond that, I'm just challenging the narrative and the excruciatingly dog whistle talking points being used to "support" it. Salinsky, Soros, and Sanders DID end up prime targets of the right because of their Jewishness, and their names can't be used as some kind of invective against those who support progressive policies without that bigoted subtext being at play. That doesn't mean that everyone who drags up their names as an insult is a bigot, but it does mean that either they either don't know the full implication of what they're saying, or they simply don't care.

But back to COVID-19: South Korea and Singapore have both now started to see a reversal of their early successes in limiting the spread of the virus. Georgia, South Carolina, and Tennessee are all easing quarantine and isolation restrictions. The head of the CDC is warning that the second wave of the corona virus will likely be worse than the first. Some epidemiological models are actually predicting a second wave as early as this Summer or early next Fall, with a third wave hitting next Winter at the same time as the annual spike in flu infections.

Two studies, one in France and another one here in the U.S. done jointly by the University of Virginia and the NIH, have shared initial findings that hydroxychloroquine, the drug that has been much-touted by President Trump, does not appear to have any positive effect on COVID-19 mortality rate or severity of disease. In fact, its primary impact may be that it can cause dangerous arrhythmias. Some other therapies have shown promise in studies, though. Most notabe are the antiviral drug remdesivir and blood infusions from convalescent COVID-19 patients to those who are still actively sick.

We also see some progress being made on testing, with emergency approval being granted this morning by the FDA for the first at-home coronavirus test.

Infrastructure for testing and tracking results still needs massive development. We still need more PPE and more testing supplies. Critical medications are running dangerously low. If and when we do get a second (and third) wave of infection, we need to be much better prepared than we were for this first one (which is not over yet). As restrictions ease, increases in infection rates are seemingly inevitable. If we are not prepared, then our healthcare systems will be overwhelmed. As far as we can estimate with our limited testing capacity, more than 96% of the population in the U.S. has yet to be exposed. The longer we can keep it that way, the better.

We will get through this, but it will be tougher than some seem to think that it will be. It will last longer than many among us are prepared to really think about. Please do what you can to help.


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