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highme
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02/07/2020 1:01 pm  
Posted by: @coleslawed

it’s rad to see people be truly happy. there’s so much joy in those interviews. 

These have all been great stories. I've had some difficult convos with a friend who's a Black lesbian in the industry. Most of those have been more centered around race in general, with a bit of snowboarding in the mix. She asked if I'd been reading these and I hadn't even seen them. So I started getting caught up. 

There's a common theme across all the dudes who have come out in these articles "I didn't think it was possible to be a 'snowboarder' like I am expected to be and also be Gay" (I'm paraphrasing).

 

WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. 

 

This place is no longer a safe space for even covert or ironic bigotry. Fuck bag Jason Volstad has made his last post here, anybody else that things I'm going too far or am a SJW cuck or what the fuck ever for considering the effect toxic behavior has on our community can fuck off too. There is no advertising or any kind of revenue stream here, providing you a place to voice garbage opinions literally costs me money, and I'm done. 

 

 


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02/07/2020 1:15 pm  
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Did you really just say that the victims of sexual abuse are responsible for that abuse? Delete your bookmarks for this site and fuck all the way off. 

No. He just says that social media and all the SJWs think that the one who is accused is always guilty when a (alleged) sex abuse case surfaces. And he is right on that.

Its a completely fucked up logic. The same(ish) as the liquor control thing in oregon.

Abuse victims have been ignored for years, oh noes, some shitty people might have been exposed for being shitty people. Good thing you and the rest of garbage men brigade are here to make sure that society finally starting to believe abuse victims is the real fucking problem.

I took some time not reading this to see what would happen. I'm no longer in the mood to provide space for shitty people to write shitty thoughts at will. If that's going to be a problem for you, I guess you'll have to figure out how to move on in life with that burden. 

What are you on about honestly. Do you actually support trial by mob (digital in the case of Social media) or something? Presumption of innocence rings a bell? If someone is/was abused he should take the legal way of doing things. And if there is any form of abuse the abuser should rot in jail (or whatever the penalty is). Its as simple as that in any society governed by law. All i am saying. And if the laws are fucked up -like the oregon thing you described- put pressure to the lawmakers to change them (vote or whatever it is) if you have problems with them.

I get that there might be a language problem for some of us -since we are not native speakers- expressing certain things but for fucks sake the last think i ever implied in my writings here is that the problem are the victims (of any kind).


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highme
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02/07/2020 1:27 pm  

Who are you defending? Because it ain't victims.

 

"Do you actually support trial by mob (digital in the case of Social media) or something?"

Calling shitty people out for being shitty isn't actually convicting them of anything. Some times shitty people have their lives ruined for being shitty people. Maybe not being a sexpest in the first place would have been a better approach. 

 

"If someone is/was abused he should take the legal way of doing things. And if there is any form of abuse the abuser should rot in jail (or whatever the penalty is). Its as simple as that in any society governed by law."

You really don't think this works right? Like you can't possibly be this incredibly naive.

 

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02/07/2020 2:13 pm  
Posted by: @highme

Who are you defending? Because it ain't victims.

 

"Do you actually support trial by mob (digital in the case of Social media) or something?"

Calling shitty people out for being shitty isn't actually convicting them of anything. Some times shitty people have their lives ruined for being shitty people. Maybe not being a sexpest in the first place would have been a better approach. 

I am not "defending" or "offending" anyone. I can't possibly know who is right or wrong in any allegation of any kind. It the job of the law system (police courts judges etc etc) to decide who is right or wrong. Imagine for example that one of parents of the kids you coach -or whatever you do in the snowboard org you said you participate- accuses you for abuse and you are innocent. Would you like your life ruined -or yourself harmed because people get violent- over an imaginary accusation. I believe the answer is no.

 

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"If someone is/was abused he should take the legal way of doing things. And if there is any form of abuse the abuser should rot in jail (or whatever the penalty is). Its as simple as that in any society governed by law."

You really don't think this works right? Like you can't possibly be this incredibly naive.

 

It work in many cases. I have examples of people -in my country at least- who abused/molested children or others and are in jail. Obviously there are people that will get away -as in any crime- but that doesn't justify treating everyone as guilty over any crime no matter how horrendous it is. And also i believe that anyone deserves a fair trial. 

 


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highme
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02/07/2020 2:53 pm  

So yes, you are that incredibly naive.

 

"Imagine for example that one of parents of the kids you coach -or whatever you do in the snowboard org you said you participate- accuses you for abuse and you are innocent. Would you like your life ruined -or yourself harmed because people get violent- over an imaginary accusation. I believe the answer is no."

It wouldn't get very far because I'm never in a 1 on 1 situation with any of our kids where this would be a concern. Like are you not aware that abuse is a very fucking serious thing that any org that works directly with kids has a plan for? 

 

Here's a thread of things judges in the US have said in court about rapists. (I was wrong, it's not all US based)

https://twitter.com/sophiechiaka/status/1274678458036170759

 

and wow, looks like that whole "going to the law thing" works great in England

https://twitter.com/sophiechiaka/status/1274711559894376448

 

 

And in case that's not well sourced enough for you 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/06/less-than-percent-rapes-lead-felony-convictions-least-percent-victims-face-emotional-physical-consequences/

The consequences of sexual assault fall overwhelmingly on the victims.

About 0.7 percent of rapes and attempted rapes end with a felony conviction for the perpetrator, according to an estimate based on the best of the imperfect measures available.

 

On the other side of the incident, at least 89 percent of victims report some level of distress, including high rates of physical injury, post-traumatic stress disorder, depression, anxiety and substance abuse.

There has been much wringing of hands about the damage done to American men by accusations of sexual assault, as brilliantly chronicled this week by The Washington Post’s Philip Rucker and Robert Costa.

But any fretting on behalf of those accused of assault should take into account research that shows that millions of victims of sexual assault have paid a serious, measurable price, physically and mentally.

 

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02/07/2020 3:23 pm  

Ok. I am naive. What you propose then? Shoot first ask questions later? Take law in to your own hands?? Will this make things better or solve the problem?

Agree or disagree (like it or not) peoples problems are "solved" in courts. Yes its flawed yes it can be improved yes it can be difficult but it -sadly or not- is the best thing you have to get justice. Its kind of like arguments against democracy. It might be flawed but i am as hell sure you wouldn't like the alternatives.

 

 

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02/07/2020 3:32 pm  

 You didn't read any of that did you?

(if the WaPo article is bugging you to subscribe, then view it in a incognito window)

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02/07/2020 4:13 pm  
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 You didn't read any of that did you?

(if the WaPo article is bugging you to subscribe, then view it in a incognito window)

The wapo greeted me with a subscribe thing and sadly i have a "close the tab immediately" reflect when i encounter shit like that.

Went through the twitter thread and is what i expected. Judges saying hideous stuff to victims. Judges are people too and can be pieces of shit also. But the law gives you the right to appeal decisions etc. I never said going through all that is a walk in the park or easy but as i said its the "only" way.

TBH i'd like to hear your preferred/proposed way of solving issues like that.

 

BTW the person who made the thread also found it "reasonable" to plug in some kind of beauty product retailer.

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02/07/2020 4:29 pm  

Believe Victims.

 

That's what I propose. That's the easiest, most productive step you as an individual can do.

 

If you continue to insist on clutching your pearls that some guy might be falsely accused, when all the data on the subject indicates only a small percentage of rape is even reported, then I can only surmise you're biggest concern is that it might become more difficult to get away with rape in the future.

 

 


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03/07/2020 12:32 am  

Yeah, no. 

Innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent. 

Nice ad hominem attack to finish. 

 


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03/07/2020 12:44 pm  

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03/07/2020 2:10 pm  
Posted by: @highme

Believe Victims.

 

That's what I propose. That's the easiest, most productive step you as an individual can do.

 

This solves nothing. What anyone believes doesn't affect the opinion of the judges and whoever decides the outcome of a case. I can scream all day on any platform/medium in favor of anyone but if the facts in the courtroom are for or against him the outcome will be decided by them.

 

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If you continue to insist on clutching your pearls that some guy might be falsely accused, when all the data on the subject indicates only a small percentage of rape is even reported, then I can only surmise you're biggest concern is that it might become more difficult to get away with rape in the future.

 

 

I can't tell if the above is your style of arguing and trying to demean the person you are having a conversation with or you just like to imagine stuff like that but in any case i won't follow along.

The more we get into this the more i get to the conclusion that is a cultural difference we are arguing on and i doubt there is any common ground. And i get that. We are born in different continents, probably had different upbringing, have different experiences in life, the current situations are probably different and all that affect the views we have on certain issues or in general. 

However i am not going to put on the side -just to give you an answer that satisfies you- things that i believe are fundamental human rights -and pillars of a modern society- like the presumption of innocence or the right for a fair trial. And its totaly fine to have different views on the above and want justice to be served in a different way than what we have now. Its just that i wont support it or endorse it. Like i do with  many things that i believe are flawed in other cultures.

 


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03/07/2020 8:54 pm  

The idea that it is somehow more important to believe in the innocence of the accused than it is to believe in the truthfulness of the accuser does not stand up to simple ethical examination. Presumption of innocence is an ethical standard intended to guide those who arrive at the judgments handed down in an organized court system. It is not the expected standard of investigators, prosecutors, or a standard that guides the beliefs of lay people in general society. Lay people are free to form opinions as to guilt/innocence when they hear about an accusation, and they constantly form those opinions and share them with abandon and with prejudice. Police and prosecutors are supposed to believe victims and thoroughly investigate alleged crimes, but in the case of accusations of rape, sexual assault, and sexual harassment: there has been a long history of police and prosecutors either not believing victims or blaming them. Those beliefs have led to a very small percentage of the accused being prosecuted.

There is also PLENTY of evidence that presumption of innocence/guilt is a standard that is not adhered to within the actual court systems in any of our "modern" societies. Documented cases of prejudices police, jurists, prosecutors, etc. are so common that they are one of the most oft-used tropes in the plots of crime dramas in movies and on television in every country that I am aware of. Those plots oftentimes deal with crimes of sexual assault and/or sexual harassment.

General lack of belief in the accusations of the victims of abuse is a problematic cultural issue that is not specific to North America. If you believe otherwise, there are many, many resources available that can quickly dispel that myth. 


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04/07/2020 7:53 am  
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Believe Victims.

 

That's what I propose. That's the easiest, most productive step you as an individual can do.

 

This solves nothing. What anyone believes doesn't affect the opinion of the judges and whoever decides the outcome of a case. I can scream all day on any platform/medium in favor of anyone but if the facts in the courtroom are for or against him the outcome will be decided by them.

 

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If you continue to insist on clutching your pearls that some guy might be falsely accused, when all the data on the subject indicates only a small percentage of rape is even reported, then I can only surmise you're biggest concern is that it might become more difficult to get away with rape in the future.

 

 

I can't tell if the above is your style of arguing and trying to demean the person you are having a conversation with or you just like to imagine stuff like that but in any case i won't follow along.

The more we get into this the more i get to the conclusion that is a cultural difference we are arguing on and i doubt there is any common ground. And i get that. We are born in different continents, probably had different upbringing, have different experiences in life, the current situations are probably different and all that affect the views we have on certain issues or in general. 

However i am not going to put on the side -just to give you an answer that satisfies you- things that i believe are fundamental human rights -and pillars of a modern society- like the presumption of innocence or the right for a fair trial. And its totaly fine to have different views on the above and want justice to be served in a different way than what we have now. Its just that i wont support it or endorse it. Like i do with  many things that i believe are flawed in other cultures.

 

I'm a big believer in and supporter of the presumption of innocence. But I find that many people really do not understand the concept - in simple terms it means that one is innocent until proven guilty for legal purposes. It does not mean that one is entitled to no other consequences/entitled to complete protection.

Many examples for that - building on the WaPo reference above: Kavenagh was (and still) is legally innocent of any the accusations against him, but that does not mean that the accusations should not be considered for his appointment as a SC Justice - he was not entitled to that appointment and the onus was on him to convince the relevant people (President for Nomination, Senate for confirmation) that he was the right person for the position.

Likewise, Nico Muller has not been found guilty of any crime in connection with his recent online and offline comments and is legally innocent (as far as I know). That does not protect him from other consequences of his actions, like commercial ones of his business partners or the opinions of his personal connections (or the court of public opinion) - many of which have decided to pull back from him.

Is that fair? Debatable. But in neither case was the concept of presumption of innocence violated.


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04/07/2020 8:44 am  
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Did you really just say that the victims of sexual abuse are responsible for that abuse? Delete your bookmarks for this site and fuck all the way off. 

Wow, well imagined (not read) between the lines.

careful, the forumboss will change your profile pic then lock you out of your account.

Nobody locked you out of your account shitbird, but you've hit the point where I no longer care to spend money so you can scream inanities to the void. So, I guess this is so long, die mad about it.

 

Edit: You're more than welcome to set up your own forums and say whatever the fuck you want about me or anything else, you can't do it here.

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ok boss. thanks for taking time off of SJWarrioring to address this issue. PS this site is an irrelevant afterthought, and you only keep it up to stroke your tiny ego.

 

 


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