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cortado
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04/07/2020 9:17 am  
Posted by: @sgboarder
Posted by: @89c51
Posted by: @highme

Believe Victims.

 

That's what I propose. That's the easiest, most productive step you as an individual can do.

 

This solves nothing. What anyone believes doesn't affect the opinion of the judges and whoever decides the outcome of a case. I can scream all day on any platform/medium in favor of anyone but if the facts in the courtroom are for or against him the outcome will be decided by them.

 

Posted by: @highme

 

If you continue to insist on clutching your pearls that some guy might be falsely accused, when all the data on the subject indicates only a small percentage of rape is even reported, then I can only surmise you're biggest concern is that it might become more difficult to get away with rape in the future.

 

 

I can't tell if the above is your style of arguing and trying to demean the person you are having a conversation with or you just like to imagine stuff like that but in any case i won't follow along.

The more we get into this the more i get to the conclusion that is a cultural difference we are arguing on and i doubt there is any common ground. And i get that. We are born in different continents, probably had different upbringing, have different experiences in life, the current situations are probably different and all that affect the views we have on certain issues or in general. 

However i am not going to put on the side -just to give you an answer that satisfies you- things that i believe are fundamental human rights -and pillars of a modern society- like the presumption of innocence or the right for a fair trial. And its totaly fine to have different views on the above and want justice to be served in a different way than what we have now. Its just that i wont support it or endorse it. Like i do with  many things that i believe are flawed in other cultures.

 

I'm a big believer in and supporter of the presumption of innocence. But I find that many people really do not understand the concept - in simple terms it means that one is innocent until proven guilty for legal purposes. It does not mean that one is entitled to no other consequences/entitled to complete protection.

Many examples for that - building on the WaPo reference above: Kavenagh was (and still) is legally innocent of any the accusations against him, but that does not mean that the accusations should not be considered for his appointment as a SC Justice - he was not entitled to that appointment and the onus was on him to convince the relevant people (President for Nomination, Senate for confirmation) that he was the right person for the position.

Likewise, Nico Muller has not been found guilty of any crime in connection with his recent online and offline comments and is legally innocent (as far as I know). That does not protect him from other consequences of his actions, like commercial ones of his business partners or the opinions of his personal connections (or the court of public opinion) - many of which have decided to pull back from him.

Is that fair? Debatable. But in neither case was the concept of presumption of innocence violated.

You'd have to be delusional to think Kavanaugh was guilty. That entire thing was so obviously just a character assassination. 

The problem with sex allegations is, even if 'proven' (it's not as cut-and-dry as proving embezzlement/fraud etc) not guilty, the accused carries that allegation around for the rest of their life, with everybody thinking 'there's no smoke without fire'. So if you want to tarnish somebody's reputation, you can make allegations, and even if they're found to be baseless, everybody associates 'sex-offender' with that person's name forever. 

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matty
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04/07/2020 10:44 am  

I disagree that the primary problem around the subject of sexual assault and sexual harassment is false accusations. Instead, I understand the main problem to be that there is a general lack of belief of victims, which has led to a climate in which many, many victims are afraid to come forward and even those who do rarely see justice served.


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04/07/2020 7:11 pm  

remember when all he talked about was beer and then started crying? lol


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06/07/2020 8:56 am  
Posted by: @d-r-j-c-v
Posted by: @highme
Posted by: @deerjaycvee
Posted by: @elektropow
Posted by: @highme

Did you really just say that the victims of sexual abuse are responsible for that abuse? Delete your bookmarks for this site and fuck all the way off. 

Wow, well imagined (not read) between the lines.

careful, the forumboss will change your profile pic then lock you out of your account.

Nobody locked you out of your account shitbird, but you've hit the point where I no longer care to spend money so you can scream inanities to the void. So, I guess this is so long, die mad about it.

 

Edit: You're more than welcome to set up your own forums and say whatever the fuck you want about me or anything else, you can't do it here.

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ok boss. thanks for taking time off of SJWarrioring to address this issue. PS this site is an irrelevant afterthought, and you only keep it up to stroke your tiny ego.

 

 

@d-r-j-c-v

Unfortunately (and I do mean unfortunately because I say this with no malice), what is it that anyone can say that you're going to actually hear? Like, legitimately grasp and have a sudden self-awareness about how you are, and the patterns your ego has locked you into, the projection of the way YOU see the world which is a detriment to yourself. But here's a try. If you find yourself in a moment of smelling your own breath and realize you don't like it and want to change; you fucking can. There is another way of being. You don't have to believe me, but you have to at least be willing to open up to the idea that there's something else, a different way of seeing things, and if you change the way you look at things the things you look at change. Living in dark cynicism, believing it makes you smarter and more woke than the dumb sheep that believe there's any good left in mankind, is a mistake in premise and conclusion.

And, yes. The site is irrelevant. But the people on here are very relevant as friends and family. And there's a number of those who may have joined the fray of which you've personally chased away. I imagine that last bit may please you to some point, though it shouldn't.

If you decide to let go of your existing ideas and seek lighter and more positive ideas and perspectives, they're everywhere encoded in the subtext of the greatest stories and quotes from the greatest minds.

“The most important decision we make is whether we believe we live in a friendly or hostile universe.” - Albert Einstein

But feel free to DM me and I'll send you a few links to some things that I've found helpful.

And for the record, you're cosmically off base with your attacks on highme. A resilient and understanding man sets his boundaries and says this far and no farther, of which highme has done and he holds that line. A line which is basically 'if you can't be a kind and understanding person, at least don't be a bigoted rotten cunt'. We're talking about a pretty low threshold considering this is a forum for having fun playing snowthings. And yet, we do have discussions that share differing opinions and perspectives of which I'm fairly certain, a good amount isn't inline with highme's personal preferences. To my estimation he's a wonderful person, seems generous to a fault, and we should all be doing more to support this site. 


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09/07/2020 4:37 pm  
Posted by: @pacendubya

Alek is off Rome.

Recently posted a vid riding a Korua...


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09/07/2020 9:02 pm  


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09/07/2020 9:02 pm  

seems to have been an amicable split


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highme
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11/07/2020 12:38 am  
Posted by: @89c51
Posted by: @highme

Believe Victims.

 

That's what I propose. That's the easiest, most productive step you as an individual can do.

 

This solves nothing. What anyone believes doesn't affect the opinion of the judges and whoever decides the outcome of a case. I can scream all day on any platform/medium in favor of anyone but if the facts in the courtroom are for or against him the outcome will be decided by them.

 

Posted by: @highme

 

If you continue to insist on clutching your pearls that some guy might be falsely accused, when all the data on the subject indicates only a small percentage of rape is even reported, then I can only surmise you're biggest concern is that it might become more difficult to get away with rape in the future.

 

 

I can't tell if the above is your style of arguing and trying to demean the person you are having a conversation with or you just like to imagine stuff like that but in any case i won't follow along.

The more we get into this the more i get to the conclusion that is a cultural difference we are arguing on and i doubt there is any common ground. And i get that. We are born in different continents, probably had different upbringing, have different experiences in life, the current situations are probably different and all that affect the views we have on certain issues or in general. 

However i am not going to put on the side -just to give you an answer that satisfies you- things that i believe are fundamental human rights -and pillars of a modern society- like the presumption of innocence or the right for a fair trial. And its totaly fine to have different views on the above and want justice to be served in a different way than what we have now. Its just that i wont support it or endorse it. Like i do with  many things that i believe are flawed in other cultures.

 

Sorry, I was about to reply to the 2nd half of this, then saw the top of that starts with "'believing victims' solves nothing" and I'm sorry your culture is ok with rape. Fuck off, you're not welcome here.


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highme
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11/07/2020 12:39 am  
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words

Thank you, I appreciate that.


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highme
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11/07/2020 12:46 am  
Posted by: @matty

I disagree that the primary problem around the subject of sexual assault and sexual harassment is false accusations. Instead, I understand the main problem to be that there is a general lack of belief of victims, which has led to a climate in which many, many victims are afraid to come forward and even those who do rarely see justice served.

I think maybe I was unclear. I am not looking for an increase in the prosecution of sexual assault. While rapists in prison would be nice, it still results in a preponderance of rape victims. My aim is to reduce sexual assault. Vocal social pressure works way better than relying on a system built on rape & pillage. If there is one less victim of sexual assault because some shitbird thinks "Wait, I might get cancelled" the world is a better place.


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highme
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11/07/2020 12:54 am  
Posted by: @d-r-j-c-v

PS this site is an irrelevant afterthought, and you only keep it up to stroke your tiny ego.

I'm sorry to inform you that you're too dense to understand that you've been banned and won't be allowed to post here. But for the record, if anybody knows how irrelevant this site is it's the guy that can see the traffic logs. It would be great if you didn't re-reg, but you won't because nobody is more irrelevant than you.


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cortado
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11/07/2020 11:49 am  
Posted by: @highme
Posted by: @89c51
Posted by: @highme

Believe Victims.

 

That's what I propose. That's the easiest, most productive step you as an individual can do.

 

This solves nothing. What anyone believes doesn't affect the opinion of the judges and whoever decides the outcome of a case. I can scream all day on any platform/medium in favor of anyone but if the facts in the courtroom are for or against him the outcome will be decided by them.

 

Posted by: @highme

 

If you continue to insist on clutching your pearls that some guy might be falsely accused, when all the data on the subject indicates only a small percentage of rape is even reported, then I can only surmise you're biggest concern is that it might become more difficult to get away with rape in the future.

 

 

I can't tell if the above is your style of arguing and trying to demean the person you are having a conversation with or you just like to imagine stuff like that but in any case i won't follow along.

The more we get into this the more i get to the conclusion that is a cultural difference we are arguing on and i doubt there is any common ground. And i get that. We are born in different continents, probably had different upbringing, have different experiences in life, the current situations are probably different and all that affect the views we have on certain issues or in general. 

However i am not going to put on the side -just to give you an answer that satisfies you- things that i believe are fundamental human rights -and pillars of a modern society- like the presumption of innocence or the right for a fair trial. And its totaly fine to have different views on the above and want justice to be served in a different way than what we have now. Its just that i wont support it or endorse it. Like i do with  many things that i believe are flawed in other cultures.

 

Sorry, I was about to reply to the 2nd half of this, then saw the top of that starts with "'believing victims' solves nothing" and I'm sorry your culture is ok with rape. Fuck off, you're not welcome here.

You're pretty good at completely misinterpreting what somebody said and then totally flying off the handle about it. 


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highme
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12/07/2020 12:04 am  

Please don't take this the wrong way, fuck off. I do not provide rapists a place to share their views or opinions. Though you shouldn't be concerned, this site will continue to function just like it has, without your predatory asses participating. 

 

Anybody that disagrees or thinks I'm being harsh are welcome to leave with the rape guys (who don't have a choice). Please, go set up your own place of festering mediocrity, Doc J needs somebody who really gets where he's coming from. 


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15/07/2020 12:05 pm  

Banning drjcv is totally justified.

On the fence about cortado - he posts a lot of irritating garbage and nonsense but I'm not sure it is with bad intentions.

Blocking 89c51 is an overreaction.

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highme
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15/07/2020 5:47 pm  

Again, you don't have to visit if you don't agree. I totally understand and harbor no ill will to people who no longer want to "patronize" this site because of my decisions. 


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