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awd1105
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^ Yup. 
Terje and Burton have had a mutually beneficial relationship longer than any pro/brand that I can think of, but all good things come to an end. 
I will always admire Terje’s riding and influence on snowboarding. I’ve been a fan of his since the mid-90s and believe that his apologies were sincere. However, Burton’s influence as a brand is infinitely further-reaching and I give them props for seeing the bigger picture going forward. 


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To evidence this, if Terje were gay no one could take issue with his joke and since he's not there's the automatic assumption that he's being subversive to the gay culture and homophobic

Ever heard of Milos Yiannopoulos? 

All good points. 

And yeah, I know the Milos story. I don't know if that's entirely applicable, but of course, anyone is a target. I'm not a Terje apologist and I really couldn't care less about Terje personally; in my mind this is a bigger picture issue and I just spent a bunch of time articulating my position and the internet ate it, so, it's gone. This post probably wont be as good. Let's just remove any individual case from the conversation for a few moments.

The short of it is: The measure of a good rule is if both sides are happy living by it.

We all want to be on the right side of things and prove that we're good people. I do too. I know I am. I think, and hope, everyone here knows me to be fair and loving and inclusive and kind and considerate. I'm always here trying to stand up for whats fair and good and bring everyone together. This is no different. I will always support equality and what is fair and good. But what I see is not all fair and good.  

I see the things that some are doing... and I see if those same things were done by the "other side" they would be called toxic and dangerous and unequal. 

But let's be real, shifting inequality from one side to the other is just a new form of inequality. 

And I see a narrative where if you don't support this new inequality, you're called part of the old inequality and get attacked.

If someone, anyone, makes an accusation about you, your choice is either get burned denying it, or get burned admitting it. 

We're told the only acceptable response to any accusation (true or not) is to fall on our faces and beg forgiveness. Any utterance of our own defense is turned into further proof of guilt because the charge is whatever anyone says makes them feel bad and the burden of proof is also going to be that we didn't make them feel bad. Quite literally, there's no defense. You can't prove a negative.

Everyone is afraid that anything they say or do can be turned into a reason to be targeted. And there's not much at all anyone can say or do to disprove an accusations validity. The only thing is to do is grab a pitchfork and yell accusations at others to prove we're the good guys, too. We're part of the "right team". Whomever yells it first at the next guy, is safe... for the moment.

But, lets not forget, some who were on the right team pointing the finger and making accusations of others have had it turned back on them. Maybe that's when they realize it's not fair, or just, or equal and they don't want to live by the rules they made. 

I don't like the idea that if I don't quietly join the pitchforked mob I have to be worried that I could be next to be targeted just for not participating. This isn't actually fixing inequality or bigotry because there's no fairness or justness and even pointing this out can be seen as supporting the old inequality.

I don't want this to be misconstrued as me supporting real oppression and bigotry and toxic behaviors. I'm not. I'm not. I'm supporting true equality. And I shouldn't have to be worried that saying this is going to be turned into that I support inequality when it's quite obviously not the truth about me.

I'm saying The measure of a good rule is if both sides are happy living by it.

And I also know you can't beat a dog into loving you or being a good dog. Hate begets hate and an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

But as always I think it's important to be having these difficult conversations. 

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looks like Burton is cancelling the US Open permanently now


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Posted by: @benjinyc

looks like Burton is cancelling the US Open permanently now

it appears it is just evolving. 


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Posted by: @coleslawed
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looks like Burton is cancelling the US Open permanently now

it appears it is just evolving. 

Yeah, Danny elaborated a bit on his IG. I agree if that is the intent, as it's got a bit of a snob-like feel to it nowadays; a gathering for just the shred elite imo. I've personally never been, but have heard how ridic a ticket costs at Vail these days, which is where they usually have it yearly?

In any case, like some of you have already alluded to, B looks like it's going thru a bit of an overhaul on all levels. I do applaud them for trying to make an effort, esp in regards to the whole inclusivity topic etc.

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gotta check out fis-ski.com for more info on the fistery tour


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i see zero information on the FIS site?


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