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06/12/2019 6:28 pm  
Posted by: @pow_hnd

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If you want your deck to last a long time, yes, it's best practice. Probably really only NEED to do it 2 or 3 times a season in all honesty... But storage wax in the summer time is still an absolute must

 

Both those myths are totally debunked at this point, esp the storage wax which was always clearly BS.


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06/12/2019 6:43 pm  
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@kimchi

If you want your deck to last a long time, yes, it's best practice. Probably really only NEED to do it 2 or 3 times a season in all honesty... But storage wax in the summer time is still an absolute must

 

Both those myths are totally debunked at this point, esp the storage wax which was always clearly BS.

No, those "myths" are not debunked. The myth that is debunked is that sintered bases are porous, which they are not. But p-tex has moisture content to it and coating of storage wax on it keeps it from drying out and shrinking and cracking. If you don't believe me, leave an old deck out in the sun all summer long and report back to me what the base looks like at the end of the summer. It won't be good. 

Pores in base = bullshit

Base drying out = 100% truth 


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06/12/2019 7:04 pm  
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@kimchi

If you want your deck to last a long time, yes, it's best practice. Probably really only NEED to do it 2 or 3 times a season in all honesty... But storage wax in the summer time is still an absolute must

 

Both those myths are totally debunked at this point, esp the storage wax which was always clearly BS.

No, those "myths" are not debunked. The myth that is debunked is that sintered bases are porous, which they are not. But p-tex has moisture content to it and coating of storage wax on it keeps it from drying out and shrinking and cracking. If you don't believe me, leave an old deck out in the sun all summer long and report back to me what the base looks like at the end of the summer. It won't be good. 

Pores in base = bullshit

Base drying out = 100% truth 

Been done for studies. No measurable or noticeable difference whatsoever. Nada. Zero.

Correction: Not in the sun, you gotta cover the board. Not surprising because UV degradation is a real thing (but drying out is not).

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06/12/2019 7:31 pm  
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@kimchi

If you want your deck to last a long time, yes, it's best practice. Probably really only NEED to do it 2 or 3 times a season in all honesty... But storage wax in the summer time is still an absolute must

 

Both those myths are totally debunked at this point, esp the storage wax which was always clearly BS.

No, those "myths" are not debunked. The myth that is debunked is that sintered bases are porous, which they are not. But p-tex has moisture content to it and coating of storage wax on it keeps it from drying out and shrinking and cracking. If you don't believe me, leave an old deck out in the sun all summer long and report back to me what the base looks like at the end of the summer. It won't be good. 

Pores in base = bullshit

Base drying out = 100% truth 

Been done for studies. No measurable or noticeable difference whatsoever. Nada. Zero.

Correction: Not in the sun, you gotta cover the board. Not surprising because UV degradation is a real thing (but drying out is not).

That’s what UV degradation is...

But there is more than just UV.

Go ahead a read this.. actually read it all. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymer_degradation#Stabilizers

Notice the term Stabilizer. Which is wax on a snowboard in the summer. Notice the word heat, used as a property of degradation. 

Notice the terms brittle and cracking, which happens to p-Tex bases. 

Yes, using the term moisture, is slightly over simplifying it, but it is in essence what happens.

Just like when other materials dry out and become brittle and crack, like wood, or the skin on a human or old car tires.

Yes, the cracking comes from and actually chemical change in the p-Tex. A coat of wax acts as a stabilizer and prevents/slows/stops this from happening. 

So sure, you can say it doesn’t “dry out” but storage wax most definitely does act as a stabilizing solution/agent and does keep a base in good condition and prevent degradation. 

So yes, in practical layman’s terms it’s referred to as drying out, if you wanna be an anal retentive asshole, there is a chemical break down which will result in color change, cracking and breaking of p-Tex and other plastics, if no stabilizer is used when exposed to long term heat, UV rays and other conditions.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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06/12/2019 8:06 pm  
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@kimchi

If you want your deck to last a long time, yes, it's best practice. Probably really only NEED to do it 2 or 3 times a season in all honesty... But storage wax in the summer time is still an absolute must

 

Both those myths are totally debunked at this point, esp the storage wax which was always clearly BS.

No, those "myths" are not debunked. The myth that is debunked is that sintered bases are porous, which they are not. But p-tex has moisture content to it and coating of storage wax on it keeps it from drying out and shrinking and cracking. If you don't believe me, leave an old deck out in the sun all summer long and report back to me what the base looks like at the end of the summer. It won't be good. 

Pores in base = bullshit

Base drying out = 100% truth 

Been done for studies. No measurable or noticeable difference whatsoever. Nada. Zero.

Correction: Not in the sun, you gotta cover the board. Not surprising because UV degradation is a real thing (but drying out is not).

That’s what UV degradation is...

But there is more than just UV.

Go ahead a read this.. actually read it all. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymer_degradation#Stabilizers

Notice the term Stabilizer. Which is wax on a snowboard in the summer. Notice the word heat, used as a property of degradation. 

Notice the terms brittle and cracking, which happens to p-Tex bases. 

Yes, using the term moisture, is slightly over simplifying it, but it is in essence what happens.

Just like when other materials dry out and become brittle and crack, like wood, or the skin on a human or old car tires.

Yes, the cracking comes from and actually chemical change in the p-Tex. A coat of wax acts as a stabilizer and prevents/slows/stops this from happening. 

So sure, you can say it doesn’t “dry out” but storage wax most definitely does act as a stabilizing solution/agent and does keep a base in good condition and prevent degradation. 

So yes, in practical layman’s terms it’s referred to as drying out, if you wanna be an anal retentive asshole, there is a chemical break down which will result in color change, cracking and breaking of p-Tex and other plastics, if no stabilizer is used when exposed to long term heat, UV rays and other conditions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Did you actually read the link? It talks about stabilizers exactly against UV degradation/photo-oxidation.

Also, contrary to what you state it does not really mention heat as a degrading factor - for obvious reasons, because UHMWPE is chemically pretty stable below 160F/60C (and HDPE at even higher temperatures). So heat is a concern if you're regularly baking your board (or building it from PVC).
And wax sure as hell is not going to help, seeing that it will have melted at that point...

 

 


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09/12/2019 11:31 am  

I put DPS Phantom on a few boards.

On my Korua Stealth, which I just rode 2 days in a row as a main board, the base already *looks* white & dry. My other Phantom-ed boards don't look like this but they only have a few runs on them. Still, the Stealth seems to glide well, compared to others around me. The look bugs me; may wax on top but then I was hoping to not have to wax and scrape for a while


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24/01/2020 7:44 am  

hey are  you skimd proGlide guys still liking it?


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24/01/2020 7:52 am  
Posted by: @rickbb

hey are  you skimd proGlide guys still liking it?

They hoped we'd forgotten.


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25/01/2020 1:25 am  
Posted by: @rickbb

hey are  you skimd proGlide guys still liking it?

For what it does I love mine. 

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